Sachin and Adam
00:11:32 · Adam, Sachin
[00:11:32] S1: but I wish that like as someone that we could just like, you know, attack back and then... Because I [00:11:36] S0: think like these things are good to get you fired up, but I don't actually feel that fired up by that because I don't really wanna prove these people wrong. Because if we prove them wrong, we're just like another example of like two males that got funding and did really well, which is nothing bad about that. Right? But that doesn't do anything like against the system that they're angry about. Because the reality is they're not angry with us, they're angry with the system. And the things that was said about us are literally just an extension of their anger. And I don't think any of these people, if they met us, would actually say those things. Yeah. And I realize that, I empathize with that. Seen that a lot.
00:12:08 · Adam
[00:12:08] S1: Yeah. We've had a lot of people that have actually made hateful comments in public then reach out to us and be very nice Yeah. And say, wasn't trying to direct this at you. Yeah. And there's a part of that where you're like, well, I did see your comments. Yeah. But then there's a part of you that's like, alright. I get that this is bundled up in frustration. And let's try and be the bigger people here and not get angry back. Has it made you doubt anything seeing those kinds of comments? It has built more conviction by a long shot. Yeah. For sure. Because it's made me go internal and really think about what we're doing and think about the important impact that we wanna have Yeah. On people. It's really made me have a lot of conviction. I also think that this stuff is gonna make us a lot more tough. I think there's different... I've talked to you about this. There's different levels of resilience in life. There's physical resilience. There is mental resilience about how much work could you do in a given day. And there's that emotional resilience of, like, are you okay with people attacking you in public? And that's something that we're just gonna have to get better with. Mhmm. So I'm excited about that because I think that that is all part and parcel of building a stronger character. Yeah. Being okay with, like, standing firm when people are, like, saying things on the sideline.
00:13:18 · Sachin
[00:13:18] S0: I think it's, like, true self confidence when that stuff doesn't actually affect you that much, and I don't think it has. Like, I think the stuff that affected us is the worry about how this affects our business and us not wanting to be perceived as like something against what these people are advocating for because that's... You know, all we did was wanna raise money and announce it. Right? There there was nothing political about what we did. Right? It just got used as an example. The second thing is is that I, like, I... Whenever I read these comments about our incompetence around, like, us not deserving these things around us being quote unquote mediocre white men, It's almost just funny, like I actually haven't even considered that any of those things are true in the slightest and I think like we both have confidence in who we are, we have confidence in the people that backed us, that they backed us for a reason. I think the thing that it did lead to anxiety about is like how do we present this bigger business? Do you need to present it with more certainty? And that's... This is, as you said, just an invitation to get better and articulate our thoughts better, but also the people that are interpreting this stuff, they're not our customers. So it it it... There is this thing of like, yes, have clarity in your bigger business, but also have clarity towards your customers who know your pain points and the people that are gonna be part of your platform. And if these other people don't really understand or don't think it's a good idea or whatever, like, I don't think that's that big
00:14:35 · Adam, Sachin
[00:14:35] S1: of problem. But I also think that's like... That's where the invitation to prove them wrong comes in as well. Because I think that we wanna be on the content side and the bigger business side Yeah. Something that's accessible for everyone. Yeah. Sometimes it's... Yeah. We're gonna have to prove some people wrong. And, yeah, those comments, like, it's just... It's a value that I fundamentally disagree with just judging a book by its cover Yeah. And saying that because you are this or that, I think that when you don't truly get to know someone. And we do live in a world of, like, quicker judgments on social media. [00:15:05] S0: I mean, it's case in point identity politics. But I think, again, like, there's so much nuance in our interpretation of this because we get the angle that's coming from. We think it's misdirected at us, but, like, hey. Like, it's not like it made us cry or anything. Like, we're pretty we're pretty okay with it, and we're fired up to build this much bigger business. Now this isn't a normal podcast advertisement because we're lucky enough to partner up with one of our favorite companies in [00:15:30] S1: the Australian ecosystem, Kinde. We actually had Ross from Kinde come on our podcast a few years ago, and we're blown away by his vision for wanting to help enterprise businesses get started and scale quicker. Kinde is taking
00:15:30 · Adam, Sachin
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00:16:37 · Sachin, Adam
[00:16:37] S0: But more broadly, like, in launch week, we've launched all this stuff is out there in the world. How are [00:16:43] S1: you feeling about, like, what the next few months are gonna look like? I'm really pumped up about releasing amazing quality content to the world. Mhmm. I'm really, really fired up by that. Really fired up to talk to incredible people, to innovate on new types of content. All that stuff fires me up tremendously. I think it's just about finding a balance where you still enjoy work. Yeah. Because, like, last week was the first week where my sleep and exercise went out the window. Yep. This whole year, I've, like, really religiously focused on my habits. Mhmm. This is, if I wanna be the best performer I can be, I need to focus on those. So I think it's just about, like, you know, moving really quickly, but how can you still enjoy life, still have some sense of balance. What do you think we need [00:17:30] S0: to do better going forward? I don't know if