02:43:18 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Micky Malka, Jordi Hays
[02:43:18] S1: It's not too dark on planes. Okay. Does work very well on planes. But it's this like weird niche use case that feels like killer application and then you actually get out into most of your life is not spent on airplanes usually and so [02:43:29] S6: Yeah. Look, if if that's the best you've got like, I travel more than most people I know, we're still talking about, you know, maybe double digits, maybe, maybe ten hours a month tops. [02:43:39] S8: Yeah. [02:43:40] S6: So, you know, 4,000 for a face computer that I use ten hours a month on an airplane, which by the way, it doesn't work for me on an airplane. Like, I didn't like it at all on an Okay. No. It will work. Like, it check on you perfectly. No. When you're on an airplane, you're surrounded by strangers. [02:43:55] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [02:43:57] S6: The idea that, like, I'm just gonna go like that and watch Avatar with all these people around me. You know, I don't fly Spirit that often, but I have a flown Spirit, and I know what goes on in those flights. Like, it it just again, like, just implication of yeah. The social implication of it, You you know, think if that's the best you've got, then maybe, you know, maybe you're not thinking holistically enough about your about your hardware. [02:44:20] S8: Yeah. [02:44:20] S0: How do you how do you spot talent? You you you discovered Sam. Someone in the chat was asking. [02:44:27] S6: It's a great question. [02:44:28] S0: Have a a framework for it.
02:44:28 · Jordi Hays, Casey Neistat
[02:44:28] S0: Have a a framework for it. [02:44:31] S6: It's a it's a it's a difficult question, but, you know, it's the same I I approach it the same way that I approach, investments. And it's seldom the work, and it's almost always the the individual. You know? Like, I I think Sam is brilliant, but he's brilliant at everything that he does. He's brilliant with the work that he at Humane. He's brilliant at the work that he did at The Verge before that. He's brilliant with his own YouTube channel. You know, I've I've got a a dear friend of mine, a kid named Hunter, who works in the building with me, but [02:44:59] S0: he's a a friend, and and we invest together. So [02:45:03] S6: Hunter's Hunter's fantastic, and, like, I don't know what Hunter does because every time I have a conversation with him, he's starting some new business or some new endeavor. Like, the work is almost irrelevant. It's the individual. And I think it's like, it's that mentality that you have or you don't have. Not everyone has it. I do think maybe you can get it if you don't have it. But when I see that in people, I I have a tendency to sort of gravitate towards those people. And when I look at the when I look around at the friends of mine that I have some sort of professional relationship with, a professional admiration for, they all have that thing, that that sort of desire to to see it through, whatever the it may be. So, you know, I I guess the short answer is like, it's always the person, never the never the product. [02:45:48] S0: That's great. Hunter's in the chat by the way. He says hello.
02:45:48 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:45:48] S0: That's great. Hunter's in the chat by the way. He says hello. [02:45:52] S1: That's great. [02:45:53] S0: The another question I have is we've been thinking about AI generated images, video, etcetera is getting so good. If it stays at this pace, you're going to be able to generate characters consistently. You're you're already seeing this on Instagram, people just creating entire personalities for influencers in different verticals. Do you have any type of strong thesis around how how that will play out if we're gonna have sort of organic influencers, regular humans and then you know these synthetic [02:46:27] S1: Pros and cons. [02:46:28] S0: I've been thinking about in the context of you know an example is like, I don't want the AI Andrew Huberman. I want Andrew Huberman to get health advice from because I know Andrew and I trust that he's making the best decisions and and studying you know and making you know these recommendations and and understands the weight of that and you you have like a synthetic Andrew Huberman in five years. Doesn't care if he could convinces a million people to do something dumb with their health because he can just shut the account down and turn a new one on. But I'm curious how you think.
02:47:02 · Casey Neistat
[02:47:02] S6: Yeah. Okay. My cynical take on it which is which I believe is accurate. I'd wager that this is accurate, is that it's a tidal wave that none of us will will be able to to overcome. We can hold our breath for a while. It is a tidal wave. And I wish I had a better analogy, but it's a little bit like, you know, when Toy Story came out in 1999. It was the first computer animated feature film, and it was great. I loved it. But then five, six years later, there was just this, you know, onslaught of computer animated films, and I was like, you know what? The hand drawn stuff is better. I missed that. When CGI first started getting introduced into films, I was like, no. Practical is better. I like practical better. That's gonna be the thing. And it's like, no. You're gonna lose. And I think AI is probably the most existential version of that. I think that it's just going to be so good that it's going to become irrelevant. And old people like us might appreciate, you know, real human things, and we might keep it alive. But the generation behind us, my children, when they see draw hand drawn animation, they're like, what is this? They don't care. It means nothing to them. So I think it's just going to get so good that it really doesn't matter, and that that tidal wave is going to consume everything. And I think that we're we're it's the progress that we've seen over the last couple years of how good it is and how quickly it's developing is incredible. But when you look at the capabilities of, you know, the latest rock and the latest GPT, you look at how smart these things are. You look at what the sort of conversations you can have with with any of these agents, and then you look at how good the images that can be spit out by, you know, Google's video or or whichever whichever AI you you might be fond of. It's like they're just gonna marry really, really quickly. And I think five or six years from now, we're gonna start to see real sort of erosion in the space because what they're delivering is gonna be so good. You know, like, another example is, like, we haven't had a number one song yet that's completely AI generated, but it's gonna come out of nowhere. It's gonna be, like, Gangnam style, which, like, the novelty of it allows us to dismiss the lack of humanity that this song has.
02:49:12 · Casey Neistat, John Coogan
The first AI song that's gonna be a number one hit is not going to be a Bob Dylan esque song that comes from the soul. It's gonna be something fun and outrageous, and we're gonna forgive that AI made it. And then slowly, it's gonna start to chip away. But I think it is a losing battle, and the optimistic take on that is I think that there is going to be an extreme premium, but on the humans that are able to sustain because of of what they represent uniquely. You know, maybe another bad analogy is it's like, I love Marvel movies. They're fucking fantastic. But as far as cinema goes, like, you know, there's an argument that said it's like, those kind of artistry that we saw in the the seventies or eighties, like the the apex of cinema where it comes from one when you think of a Tarantino movie, you think of, you know, a truly great filmmaker with a voice. Yeah. Marvel movies are something else. [02:50:03] S1: Yeah.
02:50:03 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Jordi Hays
[02:50:03] S1: Yeah. [02:50:03] S6: But they're fucking great, and we love them. We all show up to see them, and we're okay with that. And I think that's going to happen with AI, but it's gonna happen at a rate of acceleration that we've never encountered before. And it's gonna be so good that we're willing to forgive it, and I think it's gonna leave a handful of people out there. Maybe Andrew Huberman will be one of them. I hope so. I'm a fan of his as well. But it will put an extreme premium on the sort of human voices that are distinctly human, that distinctly represents something that AI could never. When you look at the landscape of media, a lot of that shit could be replaced by AI. [02:50:38] S1: So the power law gets steeper. [02:50:41] S6: Yeah. Absolutely. [02:50:42] S1: Makes sense. [02:50:43] S6: Well That's like a five hour conversation, by [02:50:45] S1: the way. Well, we'll have you [02:50:47] S0: back on again soon. [02:50:48] S1: This was Please. Is awesome. [02:50:49] S0: And congrats on your new your new fake but very real role at ModRetro. [02:50:54] S6: So I appreciate it. Thanks for the time, guys. [02:50:57] S0: Yeah. Have fun in Massachusetts. We'll talk soon. [02:50:59] S1: We'll talk soon. [02:51:00] S6: Appreciate it. Take care. [02:51:01] S1: Have a good one. Bye. [02:51:03] S0: Airhorn for Casey.