02:37:46 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Jordi Hays
[02:37:46] S1: No [02:37:46] S6: way. And we actually you know, we we rewrote the code. We rewrote the the software that Google Glass ran so that a singular function, which was you push a button like this, it captures ten seconds and immediately shares it to your feed. That's where we started with that. And I remember meeting with Google, and they were excited about it, and they showed us what Google Glass two was gonna look like, and we're like, fuck. Yeah. We started raising money based on that. And then a week later, they announced they were killing the entire Google Glass program, and we we backed off. We're like, alright. We'll just do it on the phone now. But I think when you ask about sort of the social impact of being able to livestream all the time or the negative reaction that we're seeing based on on Waves' video they posted yesterday, I think the social dynamic is something that is often overlooked in the hardware startup world. I think of the Humane AI pin. You know, a really good friend of mine worked for for Humane and, obviously, super excited about new technology. Yeah. Sam. Oh, yeah. Which, parenthetically, you joke about Panavision for a podcast. Sam Sheffer has in his studio for his live streaming setup a VHS camera hardwired into his deck so he can livestream from VHS. [02:38:55] S1: That's amazing. [02:38:55] S6: But Sam would be around [02:38:57] S0: We tried to I tried to hire Sam, by the way. We worked with him on a project, and I was like [02:39:01] S6: He's way too hot. He's way too hot. [02:39:03] S0: Gotta be he's gotta be sold.
02:39:03 · Jordi Hays, Casey Neistat, John Coogan
[02:39:03] S0: Gotta be he's gotta be sold. [02:39:04] S6: He's way too big of a deal. Yeah. Sam's the best. But when I'd be around him and he had his AI pin on, I was always sort of looking down at that or, like, thinking about what I'm saying and uncomfortable about, you know, speaking openly to him. And I think, like, that's what I mean by social implications. Like, you know, my phone is on my couch right here, but if we're sitting together and I'm holding my phone like this the whole time we're talking, you're uneasy about that. [02:39:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [02:39:31] S6: So when I think of a pair of glasses that are livestreaming or at least have the capability of livestreaming the whole time, when I look at them, I'm uneasy. Yeah. And I think of this you know, maybe the most extreme example of this is, Apple Vision Pro, which, you know, blew my mind when I got that thing. Like, yeah, I made the most the most glowing video about it because it was the greatest technology I've ever used. But later that night, because I made the video the same day I got them, I'm at home using them, and my wife is like, JC, take those fucking things off your face and pay attention to your kids. And I was like, oh, you can't wear these around other people. [02:40:09] S1: Yeah.
02:40:09 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Jordi Hays
[02:40:09] S1: Yeah. [02:40:10] S6: And I was like, how did they not see that? And I so I I think about that because, like, we're sort of accustomed to people using their phones, and it's kind of okay. Like, we're used to this. This is not okay. Yeah. And so when I think about wearables, I think that that is going to be a gigantic thing to overcome, which is [02:40:29] S0: Well, the crazy so so Amazon acquired a company. It got announced this week called Bee which is a brace Mhmm. After after all everything they faced with Siri, Siri's listening to me. The Bee band just listens to you all Every day single conversation. Everything. Everything. And and I and it's and it's cool. Like, I I think all new tech for the most part is cool. Do I want my team to be wearing a bee bracelet? Are we gonna allow people to wear bee bands? [02:40:56] S1: This might be a bee free zone. [02:40:57] S0: This might be a bee free zone. You know?
02:40:57 · Jordi Hays, Casey Neistat, John Coogan
[02:40:57] S0: This might be a bee free zone. You know? [02:40:59] S6: There's I'm not gonna have any friends that wear b's. I don't have any friends anyways, but if you have a b, it just means, like, we can't hang out. Yeah. Yeah. Because it makes it makes me uncomfortable. And look. I think there's an argument. It's like, get over it. Like, you fucking Luddite. Like, this is the direction everything's headed, and you're being recorded all the time anyway. Sure. But in the interim, I do think, like, there is a there's a learning curve. I think that Meta's decision to put wearable glasses with a camera on them in Ray Bans, the most common sunglasses in the world, was brilliant because we're all familiar with this pair of sunglasses. Like Yep. There was no learning curve. There was no, like, what's that thing on your face? We know what it is. Mhmm. I think how emphatic they are about having the indicator light. There's no way you can turn it off. If you cover it, they don't record. There's some degree there at least [02:41:46] S0: there's That's important. Like my my question my question for the the wave founder in twenty minutes is, should your glasses be bright red and have like you know a circle in the middle of your head that's flashing that says I'm recording. [02:41:59] S1: Yeah. I mean if you [02:42:00] S0: So that people
02:42:00 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Casey Neistat
[02:42:00] S0: So that people [02:42:00] S1: can If someone shows up with a TV camera like I don't feel like, oh, this is in violation of my privacy. I'm like, I know exactly what's going on. The news is here. And if I step in front of that camera, I'm on the news. Like, it it it we have a social understanding of that. [02:42:13] S0: We still might not wanna be around it. [02:42:15] S1: Yeah. I'm like, actually, I'm gonna turn around and walk the other way because I don't wanna be seen on on this camera or whatever. I don't know. [02:42:20] S6: But there's there's an understanding there. Yeah. And look, on on Wave's website and the q and a, there's a question like, is there an indicator light? And their answer is, yeah, but you can turn it off. And so, like, I know, I don't know. I read that, it makes me a little bit queasy Yeah. As a guy who has a camera on him, you know, all the time and and so much of the the videos that I've made is about filming everyone in the whole world around me. Totally. I still think there's something honest about having that camera on your shoulder, pointing a camera at someone, versus, like, you know, the glass hole movement of the, you know, Google Glass, which, like, by having this on your face, everyone was uneasy around you. I think it's even a big hurdle to overcome as we eventually, like, figure out what this hardware AI future is going to look like.
02:42:20 · Casey Neistat, John Coogan, Micky Malka, Jordi Hays
[02:42:20] S6: But there's there's an understanding there. Yeah. And look, on on Wave's website and the q and a, there's a question like, is there an indicator light? And their answer is, yeah, but you can turn it off. And so, like, I know, I don't know. I read that, it makes me a little bit queasy Yeah. As a guy who has a camera on him, you know, all the time and and so much of the the videos that I've made is about filming everyone in the whole world around me. Totally. I still think there's something honest about having that camera on your shoulder, pointing a camera at someone, versus, like, you know, the glass hole movement of the, you know, Google Glass, which, like, by having this on your face, everyone was uneasy around you. I think it's even a big hurdle to overcome as we eventually, like, figure out what this hardware AI future is going to look like. [02:43:04] S1: Yeah. What do you think about, like, airplane demos? It feels like all there's so much tech where the demo is like, you'll love this on an airplane. The Apple Vision Pro is a great example. A lot of the a lot of the handheld [02:43:16] S8: But it [02:43:16] S0: devices doesn't work when it's dark? [02:43:18] S1: It's not too dark on planes. Okay. Does work very well on planes. But it's this like weird niche use case that feels like killer application and then you actually get out into most of your life is not spent on airplanes usually and so