00:28:26 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
That is the perfect story to me of, like, why this book matters, why these ideas matter, why you wanna download all the Elon methods and mindset into your brain because, you know, two order... Magnitude improvements are possible all over the place. We are surrounded by inefficiency and opportunity that's just waiting for somebody to really apply themselves and break through this sort of analogy stasis hellscape that we live in in almost all ways, almost all the time. [00:28:52] S0: What do you think makes the right person? So of those, like, 20 people that Elon has built these relationships with, every single person in an Elon organization, the way I think about it is, like, as soon as you join, you are basically doing a tour of duty. Mhmm. And you have, like, a... You will get shot in the head at this date, and then, like, the clock is constantly changing based on your actions. Because, like, the end result is you're gone, and that's just everyone. But, you know, some people last longer than others. And some of the people, like JB Straubel, lasted, you know, sixteen, seventeen years. [00:29:23] S1: Yeah. Hans Koenigsmann. [00:29:24] S0: Very, very long time. And he was, like, strong lieutenant with Elon. And then there's other people that last, like, a month and are are gone, basically like that. What do you what do you think makes someone really succeed under his leadership?
00:29:24 · Ty Morse, Eric Jorgenson
[00:29:24] S0: Very, very long time. And he was, like, strong lieutenant with Elon. And then there's other people that last, like, a month and are are gone, basically like that. What do you what do you think makes someone really succeed under his leadership? [00:29:38] S1: I think there's probably lots of different ways to win as long as you abide by the nonnegotiable minimums. Right? So I think it helps if you're an amazing engineer. I think you have to be a little... The the bias to action and the the urgency have to be there. There's been times when he sort of insists on sacrifice, it seems like. Tour of duty is a good thing. Like, nobody wants to live their whole lives probably working this way. It it does seem to interfere with family life and raising kids and, you know [00:30:10] S0: You're basically putting off all those other things and saying, I'm just gonna be focused on this for however long that is.
00:30:10 · Ty Morse, Eric Jorgenson
[00:30:10] S0: You're basically putting off all those other things and saying, I'm just gonna be focused on this for however long that is. [00:30:15] S1: Yeah. And and, like, I honor, respect, and appreciate that people do that. Like, thank God that that exists, and thank God that there are people who are willing to go do it. And for people to sort of pass moral judgment on others who wanna work harder than them, I say, what and why? But to go do that tour of duty and just give yourself over to an organization and say, like, just ring me out. Just get as much as you can out of me while I'm here because I believe in this mission and I want to be pushed to my limit and I wanna be... I wanna give everything that I can to, you know, achieve this new milestone of humanoid robotics or autonomous driving or, you know, getting us to Mars, getting Starship going, building data centers in space, whatever it is. And it's really hard to have that sort of culture and that level of dedication if you're running a real estate brokerage. Right? Like, so in this way, I think the the mission and the purposeness of the purposefulness of what he does is integral to the cultures that he builds and the people that he attracts and the amount of progress that gets made.
00:31:18 · Ty Morse
[00:31:18] S0: How do you think he goes about basically creating missions in his own mind? I've heard people say that he, like, doesn't read people extremely well, but he's also just incredibly good at figuring out here's like a grand vision for people to believe in. And a lot of the world will be like, it doesn't really matter. I don't really care. But then there's like some subsection of the world that just absolutely loves it and is like, Elon's gonna go, you know, make life multi planetary, and so we should all join that. What, like, makes a great mission from his perspective?
00:31:50 · Eric Jorgenson
[00:31:50] S1: I mean, I I think, funnily enough, a lot of this comes from sci fi. Like, it's almost it's almost childish. Like, I think a lot of, like, adults would say, like, oh, going to Mars is... That's not our biggest problem. We need to solve gerrymandering or something. And he's like, no. No. No. Let's, like, let's zoom out. But that that broad perspective comes from, I think, thinking of these grand time scales and reading foundation and realizing that, you know, these existential risks of an asteroid hitting Earth seem fanciful and farcical and unreal until all of a sudden they're real. And he just has a very objective sort of, like, math based broad view where he's like, there's probably at some point gonna be another world war, just statistically speaking. There's probably gonna be an asteroid that hits Earth, statistically speaking. There has been many extinction events through the course of geological history. Like, we do not want to be one of them. So what can we do to prevent that? And it's a little bit, because it's so far outside, like, the current social zeitgeist, I think it... It's like it does very much sound like a 15 year old who's really into sci fi who has a little bit of Asperger's. Who's like, guys, why are we not all really paying attention to the fact that, like, we might all get smote off the earth, but taking it really seriously and doing it at a high level? But he lays it out. It's, like, kind of hard to argue with. Like, one of the things I like to do with people who are are Elon haters or doubters is, like, I I give them the book or I flip to any random page, I'm just like, just circle any sentence that you disagree with. Like, I know that you don't think you like him. I know that you think you disagree, but this is a book full of his words. So show me which ideas you disagree with. Like, do you not think we should be multi planetary? Do you not think these existential risks exist? Do you not think that, you know, we're capable of operating with with a higher level of urgency? It's actually hard to disagree with a lot of things when you just see them down in black and white. But because they're such new and different thoughts than most people encounter in their daily life, it does sort of like...
00:33:47 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
People kind of automatically sort it into the crazy bucket instead of really, like, taking a second to absorb it and be like, that actually makes a lot of sense. [00:33:55] S0: I think the other thing too is, like, our brains are hardwired to delete as much as possible. And so if you come across information and, like, the way that he thinks is so foreign to the way that everyone else thinks Mhmm. That if you come across his way of thinking and you're not trying to adopt it, it's more useful to just forget about it and delete that it even existed in the first place than to try to, like, study it and learn from it and absorb it.