00:26:04 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
[00:26:04] S1: Yeah. I learned that actually in... Specifically from your interview with Sean Maguire, which is awesome. And he goes right into that off the top talking about how, like, we give Elon, the guy, a lot of credit for the things that are actually dozens of people or in some cases, like [00:26:21] S0: Elon's basically an octopus. Of people?
00:26:22 · Eric Jorgenson
[00:26:22] S1: Yeah. And he's, you know, he's just... In many ways, he's a symbol, now. He's he's almost like a Batman for, you know, founders and entrepreneurs that we are ascribing things to him that are almost superhuman in ways that are, like, there's productive ways to do that and unproductive ways to do it. But I think the the cloning... Mister... The way mister Beast talks about cloning is is so perfect and actually should be the gold standard for onboarding, and it's so funny that for all the books and professionals in onboarding and whatever, nobody has done the, like, simple street smart, obviously best thing that he... That mister Bees does, which is just, like, once you're hired, you're smart enough to be in this role. You're just gonna sit next to me for twenty four hours a day. Move in with me. Follow me around. Shadow me, and I... I'm going to download my brain into you, and you're gonna absorb as much as you possibly can. And so you can think like me. You could talk like me. You can... You should absorb all of my mental models and execute, as you said, execute my will autonomously in exactly the same way as I would if I were there. And Elon's been at that a way longer time than than Jimmy. Right? He's twenty years into building these teams and collecting some of the best engineers in the world and collaborating with them to figure out, like, the algorithm as a a program, the maniacal urgency, the first principles thinking, like... And there are so many stories of people that are really, really high quality Elon clones who are steeped in these things, who... Like, Martin Cozza, like tackling Starlink. Right? Starlink was, you know, 10 x too expensive and 10 x under production limits, and so they fired the entire Starlink team. Martin Cozza flew up there with a group of his people. They war roomed. They first principled. They they algorithmed, and they had covered two orders of magnitude gap in like, I think it was like ten to twelve months or something like that. This program that had been stalled for years under the expertise of actual satellite engineers who'd been working in this industry their whole lives from a bunch of rocky guys who knew Elon's sort of methods and mindset but had never worked in this particular industry before. And I...
00:28:26 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
That is the perfect story to me of, like, why this book matters, why these ideas matter, why you wanna download all the Elon methods and mindset into your brain because, you know, two order... Magnitude improvements are possible all over the place. We are surrounded by inefficiency and opportunity that's just waiting for somebody to really apply themselves and break through this sort of analogy stasis hellscape that we live in in almost all ways, almost all the time. [00:28:52] S0: What do you think makes the right person? So of those, like, 20 people that Elon has built these relationships with, every single person in an Elon organization, the way I think about it is, like, as soon as you join, you are basically doing a tour of duty. Mhmm. And you have, like, a... You will get shot in the head at this date, and then, like, the clock is constantly changing based on your actions. Because, like, the end result is you're gone, and that's just everyone. But, you know, some people last longer than others. And some of the people, like JB Straubel, lasted, you know, sixteen, seventeen years. [00:29:23] S1: Yeah. Hans Koenigsmann. [00:29:24] S0: Very, very long time. And he was, like, strong lieutenant with Elon. And then there's other people that last, like, a month and are are gone, basically like that. What do you what do you think makes someone really succeed under his leadership?
00:29:24 · Ty Morse, Eric Jorgenson
[00:29:24] S0: Very, very long time. And he was, like, strong lieutenant with Elon. And then there's other people that last, like, a month and are are gone, basically like that. What do you what do you think makes someone really succeed under his leadership? [00:29:38] S1: I think there's probably lots of different ways to win as long as you abide by the nonnegotiable minimums. Right? So I think it helps if you're an amazing engineer. I think you have to be a little... The the bias to action and the the urgency have to be there. There's been times when he sort of insists on sacrifice, it seems like. Tour of duty is a good thing. Like, nobody wants to live their whole lives probably working this way. It it does seem to interfere with family life and raising kids and, you know [00:30:10] S0: You're basically putting off all those other things and saying, I'm just gonna be focused on this for however long that is.
00:30:10 · Ty Morse, Eric Jorgenson
[00:30:10] S0: You're basically putting off all those other things and saying, I'm just gonna be focused on this for however long that is. [00:30:15] S1: Yeah. And and, like, I honor, respect, and appreciate that people do that. Like, thank God that that exists, and thank God that there are people who are willing to go do it. And for people to sort of pass moral judgment on others who wanna work harder than them, I say, what and why? But to go do that tour of duty and just give yourself over to an organization and say, like, just ring me out. Just get as much as you can out of me while I'm here because I believe in this mission and I want to be pushed to my limit and I wanna be... I wanna give everything that I can to, you know, achieve this new milestone of humanoid robotics or autonomous driving or, you know, getting us to Mars, getting Starship going, building data centers in space, whatever it is. And it's really hard to have that sort of culture and that level of dedication if you're running a real estate brokerage. Right? Like, so in this way, I think the the mission and the purposeness of the purposefulness of what he does is integral to the cultures that he builds and the people that he attracts and the amount of progress that gets made.
00:31:18 · Ty Morse
[00:31:18] S0: How do you think he goes about basically creating missions in his own mind? I've heard people say that he, like, doesn't read people extremely well, but he's also just incredibly good at figuring out here's like a grand vision for people to believe in. And a lot of the world will be like, it doesn't really matter. I don't really care. But then there's like some subsection of the world that just absolutely loves it and is like, Elon's gonna go, you know, make life multi planetary, and so we should all join that. What, like, makes a great mission from his perspective?