00:48:23 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[00:48:23] S1: Not directly. So so, of course, you know, we've seen what happened in Van Tropeak case recently, given we spent and most of our team is in Europe, spent a lot of time with the European teams and governments of how we think about building sovereignty and how important this will be. So, no direct answer to your question. I do agree so much of the other part of what you said, which is AI really needs to work for the people. It needs to amplify human potential rather than replace it. And I hope we will do a lot of the work and are doing a lot of work in that space. But I hope in some of the interviews that you mentioned and some of the conversations from other companies that this will be an increasing theme of how they can bring that to reality too. [00:49:09] S0: The reason I asked you that question is because I think me and you were at a dinner with Scott Wu, founder of Cognition. I just recorded an episode with him. I've spent a bunch of time with Scott over the last few years, even before they launched Devin. I met him. And what I think he does well and what you do well is you guys are always talking about the positive benefits that your products are creating for people. Like I think he told the story of a woman had lost her voice before she got married. And then she worked with you guys to recreate, and so therefore she could essentially redo her vows in her own voice. It's like a perfect example of that.
00:49:46 · Mati Staniszewski
[00:49:46] S1: Voice is such an incredible identity that probably the case that you mentioned is some of our proudest work, where we can work with people that lost their voices to ALS due to fraud, cancer, and work with them on bringing it back. That is one example. Recently, we worked with a musician that lost his voice, he wanted to still perform. So he worked on recreating that voice. We we set out a concert, and he did a concert with his old band together with an AI voice. And now he's touring. And in The UK, he's going across places and touring across. Our congresswoman last year lost her voice and still wanted to inspire others to do the work and and was in the in the congress with for the first time with AI voice trying to to bring that to life. And the common theme is like the voice carries such such an, like, additional element of of emotional impact of recognition. The moment you hear someone's voice, recognize it if you know someone. Of course, that has a second part, which is like how we safeguard and how you think about safety across that future where voice can be created. But, yeah, that's the work across there. Today it's over 10,000 people where we worked on bringing their voices back and hope to continue that. And outside of the accessibility space, of course, what happens in education, wider culture. Here we partnered today with 800 organizations to help bring the technology to the people out there. One of the crazy ones, actually, that's a crazy story recently. Sorry to interrupt you. There was... There... There's a... Like, first of all, a legend, a guy called Tim Green. He used to be a best selling author, a... One of the top NFL players. And then unfortunately, he got ALS and couldn't do a lot of that work. From all the things you could imagine him doing, he decided to go the complete extreme and he did the podcast. He started a podcast.
00:51:50 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[00:51:50] S0: I'm going have to find this guy and chase him down. No. [00:51:52] S1: I'm It's a... You... Well, you should you should have an interview with him. And he... [00:51:55] S0: He's That's not what I meant. [00:51:56] S1: I'm But [00:51:57] S0: that would have meant Mati. [00:51:57] S1: Okay. Okay. That's it. But [00:51:59] S0: Then I will destroy him. No. Okay. [00:52:02] S1: But he's he's he's... And he does extremely well. He he has great guests. Had Hart Biltnick recently on his podcast, of the NFL players. This year he won an Emmy for his work. It's like, wow. He's incredible. [00:52:18] S0: Wait, so you made that voice though? [00:52:21] S1: Yes, we do his AI voice. [00:52:22] S0: That's incredible. [00:52:23] S1: So that was one of our proud small brick contribution to his work. But it's just so crazy like how... It's like the most extreme thing you can do and he does it. He inspires... I don't know how many people got inspired, but, like, we had from hundreds to thousands of people reach out that thanks thanks to him on, like, how can we get our voice back too in the same way?
00:52:23 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[00:52:23] S1: So that was one of our proud small brick contribution to his work. But it's just so crazy like how... It's like the most extreme thing you can do and he does it. He inspires... I don't know how many people got inspired, but, like, we had from hundreds to thousands of people reach out that thanks thanks to him on, like, how can we get our voice back too in the same way? [00:52:46] S0: Well, I think you hit on something which makes... Is one of the reasons, and I discovered this accidentally, is like what makes podcasting so powerful is the voice. Where it's like, you know, obviously, I, like, love to read. I mean, there's books all around, like, scattered around the house everywhere. Obviously, I have, like, I I don't have, like, a thousand books in my other library, like, probably 600 unread. And there's some authors where I literally just fall in love with what they do and read every single thing they've ever written. But if you would ask like my emotional attachment to my favorite authors or my favorite writers, like Cormac McCarthy, for example, in fiction, compared to like my favorite podcasters, it's like not at all comparable. It's like I feel like I know because of the voice and, like, the the human, like, element of that. I just feel like I know them in a way that I can never know, like, my favorite, you know, writer.
00:52:46 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[00:52:46] S0: Well, I think you hit on something which makes... Is one of the reasons, and I discovered this accidentally, is like what makes podcasting so powerful is the voice. Where it's like, you know, obviously, I, like, love to read. I mean, there's books all around, like, scattered around the house everywhere. Obviously, I have, like, I I don't have, like, a thousand books in my other library, like, probably 600 unread. And there's some authors where I literally just fall in love with what they do and read every single thing they've ever written. But if you would ask like my emotional attachment to my favorite authors or my favorite writers, like Cormac McCarthy, for example, in fiction, compared to like my favorite podcasters, it's like not at all comparable. It's like I feel like I know because of the voice and, like, the the human, like, element of that. I just feel like I know them in a way that I can never know, like, my favorite, you know, writer. [00:53:31] S1: For sure. I mean, you also... It's it's it's... You're in the conversation now and it's like, you, the voice carries so many other dimensions than text. Like text, of course, you imagine, you interpret, but it doesn't have the emotion. It doesn't have the intonation. It doesn't have the imperfections. It doesn't have the pauses.
00:53:31 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[00:53:31] S1: For sure. I mean, you also... It's it's it's... You're in the conversation now and it's like, you, the voice carries so many other dimensions than text. Like text, of course, you imagine, you interpret, but it doesn't have the emotion. It doesn't have the intonation. It doesn't have the imperfections. It doesn't have the pauses. [00:53:45] S0: The imperfection is really important. Cause, you know, some... We have some guests that come on here and they're like, okay, said light too much. It's like, that's how you speak. It's like, we can... Yeah, we can edit it out if you want, but like, I slur my words. I say, oh, I make all these kinds of weird things. It's like, but that is just how I am. I don't ever want to appear on a podcast and you meet me in person, this guy didn't even sound the same. The imperfections... People admire authenticity way more than they do perfection. [00:54:12] S1: That's true. You know, it's actually funnily, it even applies in a non human way, in a voice agent's way too. Initially, we are trying to create a perfect voice agent that doesn't do any... [00:54:24] S0: It doesn't sound human.