Acquired
03:34:03 · David Rosenthal, Ben Gilbert
[03:34:03] S1: Let's do it. I know where you're headed. [03:34:05] S0: So, listeners, the way that we decided that we wanna do our quintessence this time is to answer the question, what made Seinfeld such a ludicrously good TV asset to own? Yep. What made it durable? What made it continue to get renewed for these really high rates three decades later? And, yes, there are comps in The Office, which actually is my preferred thing to watch all... Like, nightly. I grew up when it was on, and so it's, like, more for me. And it feels more modern and blah blah blah. Friends is arguably more valuable, but is held captive. So Seinfeld is like the one free agent in the top tier that actually can go and trade on the free market. [03:34:46] S1: Yep. And look, of course, there's a whole list of these, most of which we talked about earlier in analysis. But I think if you were to ask Jerry, at least, they went out on top. [03:34:58] S0: I think the driver is viewership begets viewership. So Seinfeld has been everywhere for the last three decades on a bunch of channels and streaming service. And because it has been omnipresent, there's so much demand today to watch it because we're so familiar. It is today's comfort food even though when it launched, it was very uncomfortable. [03:35:26] S1: Mhmm. [03:35:27] S0: I mean, during my childhood, teenage years, college, adulthood, it was everywhere, and I have all the jokes memorized. [03:35:32] S1: Mhmm. Always on every channel every night. Yep.
03:35:32 · David Rosenthal, Ben Gilbert
[03:35:32] S1: Mhmm. Always on every channel every night. Yep. [03:35:35] S0: It's passed from generation to generation that way. I talked to my dad about it. In fact, we were prepping for this episode, and my three year old son is sitting on the couch with me because we had the DVD on. We're watching... He loves putting the DVDs and the DVD player. And he goes... He points to the screen. He goes, is that Jerry Seinfeld? I was like, oh my god. [03:35:52] S1: That is awesome. [03:35:53] S0: Passed it to another generation. And then we're watching the DVD, like, interviews afterwards, and he points the screen. He goes, there. There's Larry David. And I was like, I am so proud of you right now. [03:36:04] S1: Wow. Good for him. [03:36:06] S0: I know. Right? But it's this thing. My parents liked it. I liked it. I like it. It's it's so in the water in our society. There's a crazy stat from Nielsen in 2021. 41% of Seinfeld's then current audience had either been toddlers or not born yet when the series ended in 1998. [03:36:27] S1: Amazing. [03:36:28] S0: So you kinda have to just keep tracing it back. Like, I I think you might be right that it's because it went out on top, but the reason, in my opinion, is because the 1995 and the 1998 syndication cycles were so successful and exploded out of the gate that it created this in the waterness to Seinfeld.
03:36:28 · Ben Gilbert, David Rosenthal
[03:36:28] S0: So you kinda have to just keep tracing it back. Like, I I think you might be right that it's because it went out on top, but the reason, in my opinion, is because the 1995 and the 1998 syndication cycles were so successful and exploded out of the gate that it created this in the waterness to Seinfeld. [03:36:54] S1: Yep. I I think... I mean, look, at the end of the day, it's a stew of all of these things. But I don't know. I just think if they'd milked it for a few more years and quality had gone downhill, this thing is so hypersensitive to the aggregate cultural assessment and impression of it that if at the end, it didn't have that, like, greatest show of all time vibe in the culture Yeah. The engine wouldn't have continued like this. [03:37:26] S0: Yeah. Totally agree. We're... And we're saying very similar things here. It's it's ultimately that coupled with quality. Like, the the situational jokes that they set up just don't feel dated. Even though a lot of these things could be solved with a cell phone, but the intrinsic quality of the situations they are in Yep. Still feels relevant today. [03:37:48] S1: Well, more than 20% of America agrees with you. [03:37:51] S0: 22%. [03:37:52] S1: There you go. [03:37:54] S0: Alright. [03:37:55] S1: Well, on this one, we've got some fun trivia that we should include here that didn't make the episode. Number one, the theme music. [03:38:05] S0: Yes. That was mine. The bass line. I wish I had, like, beep [03:38:14] S1: beep beep beep beep beep. Then tell everybody why the theme music is so distinctive.
03:38:14 · David Rosenthal, Ben Gilbert
[03:38:14] S1: beep beep beep beep beep. Then tell everybody why the theme music is so distinctive. [03:38:23] S0: So in the pilot, on my DVD that that I have, you can hear the original pilot with the original theme music, which is not what you are familiar with. The bass riff composed by Jonathan Wolfe is something completely different, and it interferes horribly with Jerry's stand up at the beginning. You... It just like is tonally overlapping each other, and you you almost can't make out his words. So when Jonathan Wolfe got the call about it, he said, oh, I know exactly what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna treat Jerry's voice like the lyrics of a song. Yes. And I'm gonna compose around that, like he's kinda carrying the melody. And he even felt like there was a tempo that Jerry did stand up to, and it came in around a 110 beats per minute. That, like, that's how his jokes were told in that rhythm. So he didn't create a theme song, he created a theme song system where he could uniquely compose on a synthesizer in front of him that had the bass guitar riff, you know, mapped to a bunch of different keys and also all the little sounds, like all the mouth sounds that he makes. And he uniquely composes a theme for every episode that is slightly different that fits in around Jerry's jokes in the intro. And so he has this great quote on this. Every monologue was going to be a variation of the theme. So whatever I did, I needed to architect it modularly so that it could be shiftable, changeable, like LEGO music. It needed to not conflict with his voice. So great. So great.
03:38:23 · Ben Gilbert, David Rosenthal
[03:38:23] S0: So in the pilot, on my DVD that that I have, you can hear the original pilot with the original theme music, which is not what you are familiar with. The bass riff composed by Jonathan Wolfe is something completely different, and it interferes horribly with Jerry's stand up at the beginning. You... It just like is tonally overlapping each other, and you you almost can't make out his words. So when Jonathan Wolfe got the call about it, he said, oh, I know exactly what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna treat Jerry's voice like the lyrics of a song. Yes. And I'm gonna compose around that, like he's kinda carrying the melody. And he even felt like there was a tempo that Jerry did stand up to, and it came in around a 110 beats per minute. That, like, that's how his jokes were told in that rhythm. So he didn't create a theme song, he created a theme song system where he could uniquely compose on a synthesizer in front of him that had the bass guitar riff, you know, mapped to a bunch of different keys and also all the little sounds, like all the mouth sounds that he makes. And he uniquely composes a theme for every episode that is slightly different that fits in around Jerry's jokes in the intro. And so he has this great quote on this. Every monologue was going to be a variation of the theme. So whatever I did, I needed to architect it modularly so that it could be shiftable, changeable, like LEGO music. It needed to not conflict with his voice. So great. So great. [03:40:08] S1: And so distinctive. I mean, it's it's part of what makes the show.
03:40:08 · David Rosenthal, Ben Gilbert
[03:40:08] S1: And so distinctive. I mean, it's it's part of what makes the show. [03:40:13] S0: Yes. It's so different at the time too. Of course, like everything else, the network execs hated it because it wasn't like anything else in the market. [03:40:19] S1: Of course. That's a signal of quality when the network executives hate it. Alright. That's number one. Number two, this has come up on Acquired before. Julia Louis Dreyfus is, yes, from that Louis Dreyfus family, the, very large French, commodities trading family. [03:40:42] S0: Yeah. Big multigenerational business.