Marketecture: Get Smart. Fast.
00:08:44 · Ari Paparo, Eric Franchi
[00:08:44] S2: Yeah. Sounds right. [00:08:45] S1: Yeah. $2,022,000,000,000. And, you know, again, one that you probably had them in your list of top five, top six acquirers, maybe not in your top one or two. So, you know, again, another head scratcher, but then when you look at it, it makes perfect sense. There's a lot to, you know, kinda like unpack and comb through on this one. But I think from my perspective, if I'm Fox, and I wanna take a shot at, you know, the fast market, right, which is, you know, where where a lot of the action is for for for a lot of these ad sellers, you take Tubi, which you already own, you combine it with Roku, and you got 5% of the fast market. You are a player in fast. You got a lot of ads to sell. So, you know, there's a lot of ways you can kinda unpack a thesis, but from there, like, that one was the no brainer to me.
00:09:33 · Ari Paparo
[00:09:33] S2: Yeah. I don't have, like, any really strongly held takes here, except it's the the whole streaming world is horizontally complicated. You have some companies that have hardware, some that don't, some have ad groups, some that don't. And so you... I think we're gonna continue to see anyone that's not part of one of the giant hold goes or giant tech companies get acquired to fill in the gaps. With Fox, they're not in among the top streamers from... Especially from a paid perspective, and they have their legacy assets, you know, Fox News, Fox Sports, etcetera, that are mostly tied to the traditional bundle. So sort of makes sense as a way to jump start that or leapfrog it in combining with Tubi. Also, this week, we'll get to the AI news. There's so many things in AI, but Fox also announced just a whole bunch of AI stuff, which kinda speaks towards how they see the future evolving. So that's as much as I've got. I kept trying to think of some, you know, genius take no one else had had, and I just don't have it. Nothing came up.
00:10:33 · Eric Franchi
[00:10:33] S1: Yeah. I think maybe maybe two things if we're if we're riffing. Roku's got great o and o real estate. You know, I think that can be in the in the right hands from a packaging perspective. Pretty interesting. You could probably do some interesting things around sports. I know Fox is always a player when it comes to, you know, selling sports packages and, you know, obviously having having some of the rookie inventory and footprint. That's interesting. I do wonder... Gosh. I wish we had Rich Greenfield on, you know, to talk about this stuff. Like like, you know, Roku sells across, you know, various streamers. And those streamers, a lot of those streamers are like real competitors to Fox. So, you know, the state of that, you know, having Fox having the ability to, you know, sell NBC, have, you know, access to decisioning and everything like that. That might be a little bit of a of a head scratcher and you might, you know, raise the the walls a little bit higher in some of these walled gardens, but this is this is super super interesting. You know, a lot of people thought that at a different time, TTD was the acquirer of Roku, and we will never know.
00:11:41 · Ari Paparo, Eric Franchi
[00:11:41] S2: Yeah. There were a lot of speculation on sort of interesting combinations because Roku was such a unique asset. TTD, AppLovin was spoken of. They're all they're all sort of long shots. It makes a lot more sense to have someone that's, like, core in the streaming business do this. Also, I'll bring back to this interview... The interview that went live this past Monday with Walmart where they were saying that all... The Vizio acquisition enabled them to, like, replace Roku as the operating system in all their white labeled TVs. So that couldn't have helped. Like, that... That's a little bit of a kick in the guts here to the future of this business. Roku saying to itself, well, you know, ultimately, we have to have consumers choose us, And who else can they choose? Well, you're dealing with all the Asian OEMs who have low cost manufacturing. You're now dealing with Walmart who has distribution. You have Amazon as the probably number one seller of Roku devices. That can't feel that good. And and you ultimately have to get your device in the hands of consumers. [00:12:41] S1: Yeah. That makes sense. Well, good job, Fox. This takes a while to close, the transaction like this. I think it doesn't close until, like, 2027. Alright. So a few weeks ago, we'll move on. A few weeks ago, we had this guy, Tejas, who the the CEO of Tejas or Tejas? Tejas? [00:13:01] S2: Yeah. It's a good question. I don't know. Is he... He didn't appear to be Mexican, but I don't know if the name is pronounced that way.
00:13:01 · Ari Paparo, Eric Franchi
[00:13:01] S2: Yeah. It's a good question. I don't know. Is he... He didn't appear to be Mexican, but I don't know if the name is pronounced that way. [00:13:06] S1: Alright. Either way, we're talking about you, buddy. We had him on a few weeks ago and he was... I mean, a great interview. We learned a lot. It's a super hot company. And ever since then, Hightouch has been everywhere, like Everywhere. Everywhere, every single week. So so this week, they go and make an... A play for the LiveRamp identity assets. They offer Publicis 1,200,000,000 of, you know, a 2,200,000,000 up to 1,220,000,000. I can think of a, you know, kind of $2,200,000,000 total live rent deal for the identity assets. And they said, you got a week to give us a yes or no. So everybody's prepping for Cannes, they're trying to figure out their their outfits, they're putting their linens in their in their bags, and all of a sudden, you know, Tejas Tejas comes over the top. I freaking love this. [00:13:57] S2: It's it's a little bit stunt m and a. Like, they don't have 1,200,000,000, you know. [00:14:03] S1: Well, the... [00:14:04] S2: I mean, the... The funds confirmed. [00:14:06] S1: Last valuation was 2,750,000,000, and they're backed by people that have really deep deep pockets, like Goldman Sachs. So they could do this. I mean, they could have access to this capital, for sure. Talk to us about this. What you got?
00:14:06 · Eric Franchi, Ari Paparo
[00:14:06] S1: Last valuation was 2,750,000,000, and they're backed by people that have really deep deep pockets, like Goldman Sachs. So they could do this. I mean, they could have access to this capital, for sure. Talk to us about this. What you got? [00:14:22] S2: Yeah. So, I think we've been talking about the LiveRamp acquisition by Publicis for a couple of weeks, and it's pretty complicated because LiveRamp's a complicated business. And I think what you have to say is, well, what is Hightouch's hypothesis here? And I think the hypothesis is that public... Publicis already has an identity spine because of all the other stuff they've bought and built. Right? And they really just want the sort of the sassy part of LiveRamp, meaning the brand relationships, agency relationships, and onboarding tools. And they don't really need that... The identity spine to do that. They could kinda swap it onto their own identity spine. That... That's... I would... That's... Otherwise, why would they do that? I mean, obviously, it's it's half half the value of the company according to Hightouch, so why would why would they not want it? And so I... That's the real question. Is that true? Is that true that that publicists could get all the value out of the acquisition without the identity spine? [00:15:21] S1: I don't see how they can. Right? Like Right. You know? So... They would [00:15:27] S2: have to hot swap it. Like they'd Right? Have to