Funny Business
00:21:12 · Sachin, Adam Miller, Lachlan Bradford, Robbie Hicks
[00:21:12] S3: It's... Yeah. It's just strategic as well because, like, as so much more content becomes AI, what's gonna matter is personalities. Like, we all know that it's so much easier to create content where you can just clip things up and you can create AI podcasts and all that kind of stuff. And so Adam and I saw those trends, and we kinda sat down and we're like, k. What's gonna really matter? What are people gonna gravitate towards? And it's kind of very simple. Like, people... Why was Oprah Winfrey so popular with her talk show? That was kind of like an OG podcast. Right? And it's all personality. And I was like, why are you guys popular? It's personality. So we... We've got that insight, and we're just trying to scale it more because we think that's how we're gonna get big on the macro. Because otherwise, podcasts in a... With an Australian audience and Australian tech will grow, like, relatively fast, but not as fast as we want it to grow. [00:21:55] S2: Yeah. Yeah. And... Oh, I completely forgot my point. Was gonna say brain brain dump. It was about personality. [00:22:03] S0: Anyway It would have been good. I can imagine that [00:22:06] S1: right now. [00:22:06] S2: Yeah. It was really, really good. [00:22:07] S1: Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. I think it's like, they're hard hard to call. Do you have... Do you think about that? Like, you said mentioned before, you're both happy to be extroverts and out there about different things like Yeah. Having that forward facing public brand.
00:22:07 · Robbie Hicks, Adam Miller, Lachlan Bradford
[00:22:07] S1: Nailed it. Nailed it. Nailed it. I think it's like, they're hard hard to call. Do you have... Do you think about that? Like, you said mentioned before, you're both happy to be extroverts and out there about different things like Yeah. Having that forward facing public brand. [00:22:21] S2: Yeah. It's interesting because, like, we haven't seen the repercussions of it yet. So I feel like at the moment, we're, like, really happy, but it's like, is there something that could happen if we're, like, too open? Look. We're both, like, very extroverted. So number one. So we're very happy to do it. Number two, we've done so many podcasts over the years that we've just lost any sense of, like, there's a camera in front of you and, like, you don't really care about it. You don't feel nervous about it. So I feel fine. We like sharing stuff. It's quite fun. And, yeah, I I see, like, there only to be benefits rather than downsides. And I think we both know that, obviously, there are certain boundaries and stuff. [00:22:58] S0: Oh, for sure. Like, I mean, when you guys first announced The Raise, the financial review, which is amazing, by the way, and then you have sort of people publicly talk about and and give you guys feedback in in a public forum. How does something like that affect you guys when you've had awesome news like this and then all of a sudden everyone's got an opinion on what you're doing and how you're doing it? And what are sort of going through your mind at a time like that when people like that just sort of chime in and just leave their feedback?
00:23:27 · Sachin
[00:23:27] S3: Yeah. I mean, it was a first for us, and it was quite anxiety inducing at the time. Like, it's one of those things where, you know, you're not meant to read that stuff, but when it happens to you, you read that stuff. And you read every comment and you click on their profile and see, you know, why don't they like us, what they're saying, and stuff like that. But I think once we put our head out of that, we realized two things. The first thing was that they weren't angry with us. They were angry with the system, and they were angry because of the gender imbalances and funding. Right? And we were just kind of the people that the anger was taken out on. So it's like, I don't think any of these people actually knew us. Like, no one that knew us well had anything too bad bad said about us. Everyone supported us. So that was the first thing. And the second thing is is that, like, all these things are so transient. Like, the next week, people completely forget about it. And, like, everything... Even, like, the craziest scandals in the world are transient. Like, people get accused of sexual assault and stuff in the media and then, you know, go for president, for example. Right? So there's, like, all these... Like, things that are incredibly transient. So I think that, like, once you realize that, you realize that, like, you know, this stuff's not gonna stick with you.
00:24:28 · Adam Miller, Sachin, Lachlan Bradford, Robbie Hicks
[00:24:28] S2: And it's also just the inevitability of, like, entering that arena. Like, when you're doing things and sharing things publicly, like, you're... There's a social contract that you're allowed to put your voice out there and you're allowed to speak freely, but so are other people. Like, they're allowed to comment and criticize you. That's all part of the game. So, like, you don't do anything like podcasting, YouTube, or social media if you're not okay with being criticized, you know. And so that's... [00:24:51] S3: We get some hate comments on our TikTok sometimes and they're really funny. Yeah. Like, we genuinely find them really funny. [00:24:57] S2: People call me a turkey. Sachin love Sachin love that one. I thought... Who is this turkey? Like, I [00:25:01] S3: get lines you use on Adam off hateful comments on our content. So... Yeah. [00:25:06] S0: I just... I feel like a... It's like a kindness lens too. I feel like once you've sort of realized that when you put yourself out there, it's like even if you feel so strongly about something, it's just like... I don't know. It's just like putting it through that filter first before you start just like Yeah. Posting all that sort of... [00:25:21] S1: I think
00:25:21 · Robbie Hicks, Adam Miller, Sachin, Lachlan Bradford
[00:25:21] S1: I think [00:25:22] S2: the biggest perspective shift we've had is that we've actually had a lot of people make, like, very hateful comments about us who didn't know us. And we, like, might have gone introduced to them later or they message us or even we message them just like, hey, like, just curious why you have that opinion. And people always take it back when you're chatting again. They're like, oh, sorry. I didn't mean to say that. Like, I was just saying this in the moment, but, like, I think you guys are really good. And it's like, that's the perspective shifts because you realize that people generally only say hateful things about people they don't know because they've got some frustration in their life or they're frustrated at something else. It's very rarely that they really hate you and they know who you are and they hate you. [00:26:01] S3: And some of them...... Genuinely become fans and will comment on episodes and stuff. So it's like it's funny. [00:26:06] S2: So I would be concerned if, like, someone hated on us and I reach out to them and be like, hey, I saw you wrote that. That was really hateful. I'm just curious why you have that. And if they double down and be like, yeah, hate you. You guys suck. And then it's like, you know, that's a bit weird then. Yeah. You know? [00:26:21] S0: Everyone's tough behind someone's back. Oh, the keyboard worries are enforced.
00:26:25 · Robbie Hicks
[00:26:25] S1: It was... I thought it was really weird, Tom. We covered a bit on our pod, like, the back end of last year, even the start of this year. Just... There was weird vibes in the funding scene about people, like, not saying there's not imbalances and there's not a bunch of other stuff going on there. And I think for us, even we had to try to rope in a couple of times for conversations and Lachlan and I have been so intentional about not trying to see gender or anything like that when we've done our pod. And we've had... If you go back and look at the amount of guests and things that we've had, we've had people from all walks of life, doesn't matter where... Who they are, where they've been, where they come from, what nationality, what sexual preference, all that sort of stuff, but we don't lead with that. So for us, we try and not sit in the fence, but it's not what the the purpose of our pod's about. And I think that there's a lot of people out there at the moment in this space that started getting some attention and some PR and some press that helped whatever their self interests were. And it rode this wave of negativity that really it was like a tall poppy thing but on steroids where these people would chime in and the way I see it, the way I viewed it, it's a form of online bullying. Yes, it's from where they think it's from like a good cause or a good place or where they're trying to do it, but the way they're going about it to me, it was like, that's... It was really, really wrong. And it felt like the people who were doing... Were getting rewarded for doing the wrong behavior. So whether that was getting like AFR articles, a bunch of other stuff and like, I I think of like the one example we covered it and I I was like the the dude who went a bit nuts from Givetree. You know? Yeah. Sam... I think it's Sam Sam Joel or whatever it might be. And again, like, don't know what's going on in his life, but the amount of like public scrutiny of people like... And he did the wrong thing. Right? What would happen if he went and killed himself? And all these other people rode his his bad luck and his bad efforts to go and get their faces in headlines and shit. And I feel like that was just... It it just set a bad precedent.