Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
· Patrick O'Shaughnessy, David Senra
[00:00:00] S0: Yeah. [00:00:00] S1: Like, that idea was just hiding in plain sight. It was just not being done well. And it's like, well, what if I just take this idea and not make it shitty? Well, how Walt Disney towards the end of his life was very fascinating because everybody associates him with animation and Mickey Mouse and everything else. And yet, when he's towards the end of his life, you just ask, "What is the things that he's most proud of?" And he said he named two things. He said, "Keeping control of my company," because he lost control of his first company, and he's lost control of the first characters he made, and Disneyland. And Disneyland was his obsession. In fact, I read this book called "Disney's Land." I think it's by Richard, this guy named Richard Snow. And it's not about the animation, it's not about everything we know him for. It's about how he thought about making this amusement park. And at the time, amusement parks were think of… like, low quality. [00:00:00] S0: Yeah, sure. [00:00:00] S1: They were kind of scammy because- [00:00:00] S0: Traveling carnies. [00:00:00] S1: Yeah, exactly. Like, you would come in there, and there'd be, like, games to play, and you'd get ripped off because the games were set up and everything else. And he's going around trying to raise money for this, very unsuccessfully. And they're like, "Yeah, but, you know, amusement parks are, like, kind of trashy." He's like, "That's the point. Mine won't be." [00:00:00] S0: Yeah.
· Patrick O'Shaughnessy, David Senra
[00:00:00] S0: Yeah. [00:00:00] S1: It's because, like, mediocrity is always invisible until passion shows up and exposes it. And he's just like, "I'm just going to take every single part of this and make it better, and then remove the parts that don't make any sense." And, like, that's a great filter for finding, you know, new things to create in the world. [00:00:00] S0: By the way, I spent my 20s basically just reading. And I read more than you can imagine. I mean, you're probably the one person that can imagine it because you did something similar. But I wasn't just doing... I mean, literally everything I could get my hands on. Thousands of books and profiles and everything. And I started the podcast in part because I started to feel this awful feeling of this is happening in this weird, isolated way. Like, it's just me and my notes. I'm not talking to anyone about these books. And so I wanted to start sharing, which is where that book email came from that you originally... that's where the audience came from. Like, I used to have this saying, "Learn, build, share, repeat," and just do that until I die. And I believe in that. And so it's- [00:00:00] S1: Wait. Learn, build, share, repeat? [00:00:00] S0: Yeah. [00:00:00] S1: Still really good. [00:00:00] S0: Still works. [00:00:00] S1: Yeah.
· David Senra, Patrick O'Shaughnessy
[00:00:00] S1: Yeah. [00:00:00] S0: And maybe that's my governing principle, probably, like you said before. And, yeah, it's an incredibly powerful loop to go on. But that 10 years of reading prepared me to be a good producer of profiles. Because I've seen great, I've seen good, I've seen average, I've seen bad. My reps are very, very, very high. And that's another thing I always tell people, especially young people, like, what is the thing where you naturally have a lot of reps because you just like it? And find that, build off that because there's this learning-by-doing concept. Like, you get better at something just through being prolific in the thing, and most people have a thing for which they are naturally prolific. Even if that's following your sports team or whatever it might be. Like, what's the thing you just can't help but do a crazy high rep count of? Probably that's a good clue to, like, where you could go build one of these compounding curves for yourself. And for me, my first love was reading. That love of reading became the email list. You know, here's my four favorite books from the month. The email list gave me my first set of people to listen to the podcast. The podcast introduced me to all these people who helped me build my business and sell it successfully. You know, and on and on and on. That led to it- [00:00:00] S1: Led back to the profiles.
· Patrick O'Shaughnessy
[00:00:00] S0: That led to PositiveSum, and me building my business successfully in software got me to all of these people building early-stage companies, writing these small checks. Writing these small checks got me to this series A investment that caused me to create this new investment firm. Creating this new investment firm caused me to go invest in all these, you know, companies in a bigger way and be more impactful on them and their trajectories than I could've been on my own. The whole thing is daisy-chained together because I loved reading fucking books in my 20s and I did something about it, and I started telling other people which ones I liked. That's how it started, that's it. And all of that was unpredictable. Back to why I don't like goals, if you had told me when I sent that first email to list my goals, none of those things that I just listed would've been on my sheet. I wouldn't have even known to think about them. My own experience has cemented my belief in this growth without goals. Like, I wanted to grow. I love the idea in weightlifting, Jeremy Giffin and I talk about it all the time, of progressive overload, of always, like, a little bit harder, a little bit more. Go to failure, go to failure, go to failure. The beautiful thing about life is you don't know where that's going to take you. God, I never in a million years could've predicted any of this crap. What's even more exciting is it doesn't stop. Some set of stuff's going to happen over the next 10 years, which, if I tried to make a goal list today, I would be unable to predict. It's going to be so much fun. But it all started with I had a thing I loved naturally, I just liked to read books, and I think that's profoundly cool. Now, you know, the obligatory disclaimer is that I've been so unbelievably lucky, I had the privilege to sit and read a gazillion books and not be spending all of that time just getting ahead like you had to, because, again, I was very lucky. The situation I was born into in life with the parents I had and, you know, the things that were easy for me, I didn't have to pay for college, all this stuff made it possible for me to do these things and I think that's important to acknowledge. But nonetheless, you found your way there, you found the passion, you found the high-rep passion and now look.
· Patrick O'Shaughnessy, David Senra
That's like my constant urging to people, like, "It's there, I promise. There's something, just go find it." [00:00:00] S1: I think that was beautifully said. We haven't even touched on investing which I want to. [00:00:00] S0: Let's do it. [00:00:00] S1: I want to talk about, is it code red? Seeing red? There's this fantastic story that we've talked about before where you were going to make an investment in somebody's fund. Is it seeing red? What did this person say about you? [00:00:00] S0: He said I was red on the color wheel. [00:00:00] S1: Okay, red on the color wheel. Can you tell that story? [00:00:00] S0: Sure. So you, me, and Sam Hinkie were walking, and I think you asked Sam what's my biggest weakness or something? [00:00:00] S1: No, you were interviewing... Okay, so- [00:00:00] S0: Oh, I was doing that.
· Patrick O'Shaughnessy, David Senra
[00:00:00] S0: Oh, I was doing that. [00:00:00] S1: When you just said, like, this all started from... because I loved to read and then that started this whole chain of events, and now you have this other parallel thing that you just do compulsively that you can't help. Which is, like, exactly what you said, I'm doing 10 Invest Like The Best episodes a day, I'm doing 50 a week and I'm just recording one. Like, if we're in a group, I know what's going to happen, you're just going to start lighting people up with questions. So we go on this five-hour walk, which Sam did not like, by the way. People don't know that you're like a goddamn billy goat, okay? Like, it's just, you walk way too fast, you don't go around obstacles, you just go straight over them. That's why I call you a billy goat because they do that in real life. Like, you know, if you're out in nature and usually people, they'll say, "Oh, it's a mountain here. I'll follow the trail around it." It's like, no, billy goats just go straight over and up. And that's like walking around with you. And so we're in Columbia, Missouri, of all places, we go on this, like, five-hour walk, and essentially it's a five-hour private Invest Like The Best episode, except you're interviewing both of us. [00:00:00] S0: Yeah, yeah, I remember.