00:31:14 · Dylan Field, Molly O'Shea
[00:31:14] S1: I think that yes and no. Like, I try to have for stuff that I'm working on. Oftentimes I'm trying to get the agent running longer as long as it's got a defined goal. But yeah, mean, I could be running like an agent swarm or something and I'm not doing that. We have plenty of people at Figma that are and are getting great results though. And it's amazing how much we can do there when you have folks that really understand the infrastructure that they're trying to build and they go and, you know, they're already 10x and they can 10x themselves again by having the agents really break up tasks properly. [00:31:59] S0: So one thing that was really interesting, I had an interview with Danielle Strachman from from Thiel Fellowship, like maybe a year ago now. And the one thing [00:32:11] S1: wonderful, by the way. [00:32:12] S0: So cool. That was a really fun interview. The one thing that she brought up, and she named you, I think, a couple of times in the interview, but you were an early Thiel Fellow. She said that you were hyperfluent. I mean, even you talking about LLMs right now and, like, AI, like, you're definitely more in the weeds than, I think, common folk. So, like, why why do you think it's important to have that trait of, like, deep curiosity and hyperfluency? And how did that develop?
00:32:12 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:32:12] S0: So cool. That was a really fun interview. The one thing that she brought up, and she named you, I think, a couple of times in the interview, but you were an early Thiel Fellow. She said that you were hyperfluent. I mean, even you talking about LLMs right now and, like, AI, like, you're definitely more in the weeds than, I think, common folk. So, like, why why do you think it's important to have that trait of, like, deep curiosity and hyperfluency? And how did that develop? [00:32:39] S1: I just think the world's, like, amazing. And, yeah, I I don't know. I I kinda just look at anything, and I'm pretty much interested in it. So I don't have a great answer, but definitely, if you're not always learning or finding a way to learn from any conversation, anything that you can encounter, it's like, well, why not? You know? There's just so much interesting stuff out there in the world. And so, yeah, I feel like we get such limited time on Earth. Like, let's make the most of it and and try to learn and connect the dots and figure out how to create some frameworks around what's happening and then break them. It's just a great mystery that we're alive and what's out there.
00:33:26 · S2, Molly O'Shea
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00:34:25 · S2, Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:34:25] S2: one place. They'll even give you an 1% match when you transfer your investments over from another platform. If you want to build a portfolio that actually reflects your thesis, visit public.com/sorcery, paid for by Public Investing. Full disclosure is in the description. Founders scale faster on Deal. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit deal.com/sorcery. That's deel.com/sorcery. [00:34:55] S0: What did you learn the most while you were a Teal Fellow? What was that like? [00:35:00] S1: It was a really special experience overall. I was the second year of the Teal Fellowship, so 2012. Or sorry, rather I started, yeah, started in 2012 and it's a two year fellowship. So the class I was with, I got to know well and they're doing amazing stuff. And still some of them are really dear friends. And there's also folks from the first class too who have stayed in my life as close friends and people who have been mentors and people I've looked to for advice on all sorts of things, you know, the amount of learning from that group off the charts. But also, think it's just so lonely to start a company when you're younger. Like I was doing an internship at Flipboard before the Thiel Fellowship. And at Flipboard, it was awesome. My coworkers were great. I hung out with them, but they're like in their 30s and I was 20. [00:36:03] S0: Yeah.
00:36:03 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:36:03] S0: Yeah. [00:36:03] S1: And just, you know, my friends hadn't graduated yet. I grew up in the Bay Area, but my friends in the North Bay, they were doing their own thing and it kind of was further to go. The chance to just be with this group of people and socialize with them, like, for me, was very important. Some people probably don't need that, but I don't know, like, once a week seeing a human. And other than my cofounder, you know, who I loved dearly, but, you know, his preference in the weekend was to write work on his compiler project. That's how he unwound. You know, he was special special brain, total genius. But, yeah, for me, that was, like, the biggest value that I did not even expect from that program. A 100 ks over two years, amazing. But the community was just even more special. [00:36:54] S0: We're gonna go for a curve ball right now. [00:36:57] S1: Okay. [00:36:57] S0: I know all of that is super fun, but we have this urgent question from Elad Gil. [00:37:03] S1: Yeah. [00:37:03] S0: Or Elad. I don't know how you like to pronounce it. [00:37:07] S1: It's a great controversy itself. [00:37:09] S0: It really is. I started my interview with it, I'm pretty sure I mispronounced it both times. Like, there I guess there's, like, more ways to He's [00:37:16] S1: very accepting is the good news. [00:37:19] S0: So are you ready for this? [00:37:21] S1: I don't know. [00:37:23] S0: I'm like laughing and I haven't even said it yet. Okay. Composure. Dylan, how can a man who is so skinny live a life so fat? P h a t. Fat.
00:37:23 · Molly O'Shea, Dylan Field
[00:37:23] S0: I'm like laughing and I haven't even said it yet. Okay. Composure. Dylan, how can a man who is so skinny live a life so fat? P h a t. Fat. [00:37:46] S1: With great mentorship from the Lod Gil. [00:37:50] S0: I I don't know. What sparked that question? [00:37:52] S1: Where is the question? I don't know what that means. [00:37:54] S0: I I genuinely don't know, but he sent it, so I asked it. [00:37:57] S1: I I think it's a compliment. I'm gonna take it as a compliment. [00:38:01] S0: I think you're living well. I think that's what he means. I love that. Okay. And then we have some from Christian Garrett too. [00:38:09] S1: Okay. [00:38:11] S0: Well, these aren't as no offense, Christian. These aren't as fun as So that Figma is on its air. Last earnings really proved it. We talked about this with Mark Pincus too. What are people missing about AI and enterprise software? [00:38:29] S1: I think that, first of all, markets snap to narratives. Right now, the narrative seems to be like software is kaput. [00:38:41] S0: Good time to buy, not investment advice.