01:51:49 · John Coogan, Carina Hong, Jordi Hays, Ken Ono
[01:51:49] S0: Jong. Success. Yeah. [01:51:51] S6: So so it was Itau Jong's, like, solution of pushing that to the finite balance, 70,000,000, which is a very, very large number compared to today, the new world record. But that is a problem that's very fond to a lot of our hearts. So it's very natural that a lot of people are working on it. Mhmm. I think no one has ownership of any problem, and the word of scientific discoveries is pretty infinite, so you have a lot of problems to go after. We think we will probably enter similar races like the one with OpenAI we just had yesterday in the future. And, also, we are formalizing big problems, so we just saw anthropic announcement on formalization of Fermat's Last Theorem. [01:52:27] S0: Sure. [01:52:27] S6: We have been working on similar things. So we're excited to continue to go head to head with OpenAI and with Anthropic. [01:52:33] S0: I love it. [01:52:34] S6: We are a thirteen month start up, and we we sometimes could be disappointed by, you know, being beaten the world record in a few hours, but we'll keep trying. And I think you're [01:52:44] S1: very much in the game. [01:52:45] S0: In the game. [01:52:46] S4: Yeah. Another thing I wanted to say though is among the problems that are our favorites, there are community so last week, we set a world record on a problem called the parity of the partition function. Mhmm. It's not as famous as as bounded gaps and primes. Sure. But for those communities, it set a world record. So Mhmm. Our portfolio is vast.
01:52:46 · Ken Ono, John Coogan, Carina Hong
[01:52:46] S4: Yeah. Another thing I wanted to say though is among the problems that are our favorites, there are community so last week, we set a world record on a problem called the parity of the partition function. Mhmm. It's not as famous as as bounded gaps and primes. Sure. But for those communities, it set a world record. So Mhmm. Our portfolio is vast. [01:53:06] S0: Does a, does math exhibit the same slop problem that you see in text and code generation? You know how like you can go to a deep research report, it can write a really, really solid history paper that might be PhD level, no hallucinations. But the experts and people who know this will just say, ah, just the flavor is not quite there or it has it has it has AI written all over it. Does that exist in the lean that is produced like formal proofs? People are like, ah, yes, it works. Congratulations. But it's still a little sloppy. [01:53:45] S6: Three layers. One is correctness. So a lot of in in the past, we'll be worried about correctness. [01:53:50] S0: Sure.
01:53:50 · John Coogan, Carina Hong, Ken Ono, Jordi Hays
[01:53:50] S0: Sure. [01:53:51] S6: Fortunately, you have lean. Yeah. And then two additional layers of taste. One is the code quality of the lean formalization. Yeah. The choices of what to keep conditional. The particular class, how you approach definition of a very central mathematical object. And in our formalization of the two forty six bounded gaps, which was done by polymath a b, we really emphasized on reusability, on producing really good code quality so communities can build upon it. And then the third part is the taste for the mathematics. Yeah. Ken, do you want to add on that? [01:54:26] S4: Well, the taste for mathematics really matters. Okay. You know, honestly, the the percentage of math that has been understood by mankind that out of all the math that probably exists, probably close to like one or 2%. Math is we're just always discovering things. But you can prove theorems that nobody cares about or will have no application to the real world. And what's the good in that? So the human taste and the judgment and the final arbitration for what matters is very much a human thing. [01:54:55] S6: Yeah. I think I when I was a student in Ken's he's REU. I remember Ken giving me the critical feedback of the symbol for elliptic curve conductor must be l. And if you use any other symbol, you will be criticized as not an expert in the field. [01:55:12] S0: Very cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. [01:55:14] S1: Yeah. Fascinating. Congratulations. And super super impressive progress Yeah. From the whole team. [01:55:19] S0: Keep up the good work.
01:55:19 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Ken Ono
[01:55:19] S0: Keep up the good work. [01:55:20] S1: Can't wait to see what you guys ship next. We'll talk to you soon. [01:55:23] S4: Alright. See you. Aloha. [01:55:25] S1: Aloha. Cheers.
01:55:25 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[01:55:25] S1: Aloha. Cheers. [01:55:26] S0: Let me tell you about MongoDB. What's the only thing faster than the AI market? Your business on on MongoDB. Don't just build AI, own the data platform that powers it. There is a fascinating deep dive, an investigative report in the Financial Times wealth section. Playing with Fire, the Chinese Cambodian billionaire Chen Zhi. As an investor, Cohiba Sikars became ultra luxury symbols, then things came crashing down for the tycoon. It's a longer read. I don't know if we can go through it all, but there's some fascinating things here. One is that in 1962, JFK, he goes to his press secretary and says, I need 1,000 Cuban cigars Because as soon as they arrived, Kennedy signed the order imposing US embargo on Cuban goods. So he knew that he was going to block Cuban cigar importation, importing. And and he said, I I I need a little stockpile, so get me a thousand Cuban cigars. But this is a yeah. It's a strange business. Chinese born billionaire who moved it to Cambodia in his twenties and became extraordinarily powerful extraordinarily quickly. By 2020, his prince group claimed interests ranging from real estate to banking to supermarkets and an airline. Then he owned a 35 53 meter yacht with its own nightclub on it. He bought a $100,000,000 basically £94,000,000 London office building and a £12,000,000 mansion and cultivated the image of a connected international tycoon but Chinese authorities had already begun I like how [01:57:13] S1: he cultivates that image too. [01:57:15] S0: A little bit. Yeah. And he's got some tycoon.
01:57:15 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[01:57:15] S0: A little bit. Yeah. And he's got some tycoon. [01:57:16] S1: He's one years old. How is he how is he doing all that he's doing? How does he know who he knows?