00:41:45 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Doug O'Laughlin
[00:41:45] S0: It might [00:41:45] S1: bite you. It might bite you, but you could have a good run for a while if you do the right things. [00:41:52] S0: Yeah. [00:41:53] S1: What do [00:41:53] S6: you think? [00:41:54] S1: Yeah? Yeah. What do think the the... Of the Andrew Kern post? Like do you think this is actually the thing that gets new laws passed? [00:42:03] S0: I think at the very least this is the thing that gets people to pay way more attention [00:42:07] S1: Yeah. [00:42:07] S0: To open models Yeah. And for probably hundreds of companies that are using them to try to see if they can recreate what happened here. Yeah. And if so, and it starts bubbling up, then there's gonna be a lot more pressure and then there's gonna be more people that say like it's not... We need it if we're gonna do this, it needs to be US open weight models. Yep. And I would expect that we get a big US open source release like this year. [00:42:34] S1: Sure. [00:42:34] S0: You know? [00:42:35] S1: I mean... [00:42:35] S0: Not that not that much [00:42:36] S1: Muse time on Muse on the MacBook. That doesn't count. I mean, it's not really a big model, but it is like an exciting American open source model. But NVIDIA is probably working on something pretty serious. Yeah. I mean, they they were... I think there were some news about them maybe in talks to buy Reflection. Okay. Which is that big open source. That's right. That's right. [00:42:57] S0: Yeah. So I'm expecting something big out of Reflection. Yeah. And it feels like hopefully it comes out this year but maybe it bleeds into next year.
00:42:57 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[00:42:57] S0: Yeah. So I'm expecting something big out of Reflection. Yeah. And it feels like hopefully it comes out this year but maybe it bleeds into next year. [00:43:06] S1: And Jensen's really close to the president so that law will probably face an uphill battle. But it does... It just it just feels like even if you're in the business of, like, doing open source models development, the barrier and, like, the the demands of the open source user should be really high because there's all these crazy problems that you have to solve. And it's not just enough to be like, it's good on a benchmark. It's it's like, okay. Well, like, are there safety issues? Are you sure it doesn't call the wrong thing or it won't won't go off the rails and like hack something that it's not supposed to? Like how aligned is that model? And that's just a very, like, success looks very different in the open source model development world now, in my opinion. I don't know. I mean, the midterms are still expected to flip blue, I believe, on on the prediction markets. And so maybe you could see legislation coming from that side that then Trump is vetoing or something. I don't know. It feels like we're gonna be in sort of a deadlock for a couple years. So who knows? Who knows? Anyway, what else is in [00:44:20] S0: illegal Speaking of Yeah. Potentially phoning home. [00:44:26] S1: Oh, yeah. [00:44:28] S0: An account called Log4j has been having an absolute field day Yeah. With their Samsung TV over the last few days. Where should we even start?
00:44:28 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[00:44:28] S0: An account called Log4j has been having an absolute field day Yeah. With their Samsung TV over the last few days. Where should we even start? [00:44:41] S1: I mean, at the high level, I love the I love the idea of getting a dumb TV in 2026. The smart TVs, we've complained about them a ton. Palmer Lucky's complained about them. Like, they're slow. You always have to update them. They have a whole bunch of unnecessary features. You just want it to turn on and look good. You probably need a settings panel with some of, like, the color correction and some of the some of the some of the decisions that you make to make sure, like, the frame rate matches whatever your input source is. But by and large, I don't need the ads, but I also don't need the ability to stream Netflix on the device directly. I just want it to be a dumb panel, and that's just a product that's not for sale. Right? Yeah. Everything is ad supported. Everything is spyware and calling home and listening to you. And it's all very annoying for no other... For... If even if you're fine being spied on, it's just annoying because it's slow. Yeah. It's just a bad product. [00:45:32] S0: That's the biggest thing. [00:45:33] S1: Amazon has a ton of ads. At least it loads quickly. Yeah. Right? But and so Log4j has been hacking his Samsung TV and seeing some solid progress says another development might [00:45:48] S0: Realizing that the TV is watching, he's watching the TV while the TV watches him.
00:45:48 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Andre Haddad
[00:45:48] S0: Realizing that the TV is watching, he's watching the TV while the TV watches him. [00:45:53] S1: It's brutal. So the TV has a camera. Apparently the Samsung TV loads a region specific convolutional neural network which tracks your usage in the app. Like in YouTube, it's looking for videos you watch, ads you skip, progress in a video. So glad they're interested in me. Code for facial recognition within the content was also found. I think that would be facial recognition for who's on screen. So it's like, oh, you're watching MrBeast. That's a fact. [00:46:20] S0: It seems No. Like I think it's it's watching to see who's watching. [00:46:25] S1: I think that might be what's going on. But update, the facial recognition code is used by Samsung TVs and returns bounded boxes around paces. I think that's in the content. I don't think it's in the camera on the TV. But I don't know that there's that many TVs that have cameras on them. But yeah, the TV the TV industry has just sort of been able to like skate by on different rules. Like Apple's done all of this work around privacy and and even Meta has like, well, yeah, we have camera glasses, but there's gonna be a light on. And the TV industry just isn't under the same amount of pressure or scrutiny. So I think they can just kind of do whatever they want. Is that your take? [00:47:05] S0: I'm finding that very... It seems like very few of modern Samsung TVs have a built in camera. [00:47:11] S7: Yeah. [00:47:12] S0: Some of the older models Yeah. From 2013 to twenty A fifteen in [00:47:16] S1: camera.
00:47:16 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:47:16] S1: camera. [00:47:16] S0: Had integrated cameras. Charles [00:47:20] S1: Gillespie is mad. Never seen a more fragrant flagrant and violation... Violent breach of privacy in my life and probably never will. Doubtful that a privacy violation will ever even be able to compare to the scale of this evil and deliberate attack. Samsung should be eviscerated for this. That is that is actually crazy. It classifies what audio it hears before reporting back to Samsung. So it can be it heard you booing loudly at the screen when you saw the stock market go down or something [00:47:50] S0: while [00:47:50] S1: you're streaming... [00:47:50] S0: For me, I'm just clapping during all the ad reads. [00:47:53] S1: There you go. [00:47:54] S0: Think we got more Yeah. [00:47:58] S1: They're going they're going back and forth. Samsung, the community note here, Samsung advertises pet care and family care on Vision AI TVs as using sound sensors and on device AI to detect barking or crying for smart things alerts configurable and works in standby. Described event counters event counters match these documented features. So dog barking could be for I want I have a smart TV and I want to check on my dog. Send me a ping on my phone when I when the dog's barking. I think that's I think that's reasonable. But again, it'd be great to be able to just turn all these things off, like fully. Yeah. And not have it run-in the background and not have it slow the TV down. And so I'm okay with a little The question is like [00:48:41] S0: what is [00:48:41] S1: in the cost? Display where I'm
00:48:41 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:48:41] S1: in the cost? Display where I'm [00:48:43] S0: Yeah. Yeah. It's like Yeah. Give people the option of like, if it's $5,000 Yeah. And then the ad supported, the the the privacy reduced Yeah. Version. Yeah. It's like Like the Kindle. You know, a thousand dollars. Yeah. Right? But like with Kindle, yeah, they give you the option. [00:48:59] S1: Yeah. But yeah, it is it is crazy. The TVs have gotten so cheap, but there hasn't been a brand that's come in and just said, hey, we're just gonna be the, like, the clean TV. And I've always wanted Apple to do a TV. They have amazing panel technology. Like the screens on on Apple products are always fantastic. They clearly have the chops for it. But again, it just doesn't really match with the business model, I think, or something. So they've never done it or it's too big or something like that. But a true Apple TV would be would be probably a solution to this because they at least take privacy seriously. And lots lots of pushback. But we'll we'll we'll see. Maybe the solution is. [00:49:41] S0: Yeah. I I still have never understood why they haven't just gone and made the TV. Like it's something that, you've you've told me why before Yeah. But, my golden retriever brain just cannot comprehend. I'm like, you're willing to make a home... The home view Yeah. The thing that no... Literally no one asked for? You're willing to make an iPhone with two screens? Yeah. Or you won't just give me one big Three screens. [00:50:05] S1: I guess two when one folds. Yeah. [00:50:07] S0: Yeah. You're willing [00:50:07] S1: to make willing