02:09:13 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:09:13] S0: Okay. Especially in my little... Better, so tell... [02:09:17] S4: People were horrifying that that this guy accepted commissions from so many competing publications Yeah. And his style is so distinctive. Yeah. One would assume an agent would have been like, maybe you say yes to Elle or Vogue. Yes. You don't say yes to Elle and Vogue in interview. I think there were five or six. [02:09:32] S1: There were really four. And and one of them or one pair even had like the same clothes. [02:09:36] S4: Yes. Same Chanel dress. Look at you. [02:09:38] S0: Hey, Caleb. Okay. [02:09:53] S1: But but yes. So so so it was mostly just a mistake, lack of agent, because an agent would have intermediated that a little bit more. [02:10:00] S0: Yes. And I think historically Mhmm. [02:10:03] S4: Like even as far back as the nineties, as recently as the nineties, most publishing houses locked down photographers. Yeah. So, for example, Annie Leibovitz only shot for Vanity Fair [02:10:14] S1: That's right. [02:10:14] S4: And Vogue. Yeah. You know, they had these million dollar contracts. [02:10:17] S1: Yep. [02:10:17] S4: And now... It's changing. Because of the diminished fortunes of the publishing world in fashion magazines. You can't lock down [02:10:24] S0: Yeah. This new hot... I think he's [02:10:26] S4: a Polish photographer. Yeah. His name is very... There's like a lot of consonants in there. [02:10:30] S0: Yeah. Do it. Predominantly. I'm not gonna... Please.... Tempt to say. [02:10:33] S1: He seemed like he had a really cool style. I thought the photos were beautiful.
02:10:33 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg
[02:10:33] S1: He seemed like he had a really cool style. I thought the photos were beautiful. [02:10:35] S0: It... Super unique style, so when you do that unique thing Yeah. [02:10:39] S4: The same dress in several publications Yeah. It became a... [02:10:43] S0: Yeah. But it's also not uncommon now... Let's bring him to tech. [02:10:47] S1: He's the so humble... [02:10:48] S0: Tech people tech people will not seen any any of these things. They'll be in the clear. Truly. [02:10:53] S4: You could [02:10:53] S0: do all the headshots [02:10:54] S4: and the very distinctive... Probably. [02:10:56] S0: It was a great [02:10:56] S4: picture of him with Willem Dafoe Yeah. Having like a dollhouse on his head. Okay. Uh-uh. So it'd be very unique tech world imagery. Yeah. [02:11:04] S1: Till you found your building a house of cards on top of their head. It was. [02:11:07] S0: It was, wow. Car today. No. I I really wish that we had a magazine because we we like there there's no one in in this sort of like no new media businesses and technology truly understand the gap between a good photo and a great photo. I think... That's what [02:11:32] S4: we can do together. [02:11:32] S1: It'd be fun. [02:11:33] S0: I think so. That's our next project. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're we're ready. I mean, there's a lot of people For sure. That that need a good photograph in this industry that have a [02:11:43] S1: 100%. [02:11:44] S0: Interesting story to tell. [02:11:45] S4: Or I can just face tune [02:11:46] S0: them, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
02:11:46 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Derek Blasberg
[02:11:46] S0: them, you know? Yeah. Yeah. [02:11:48] S1: Just the sloppiest AI. Yeah. I mean, we've been laughing about the... This idea that people will eventually be nostalgic for the AI art of 2023, the six fingers, the sloppy... [02:12:00] S0: Did you see Katy Perry clockable. [02:12:01] S4: Wore six finger on the red carpet of the Met Gala? [02:12:04] S1: Yes. It's already coming back. It's already being adopted as as camp and ironic. [02:12:09] S4: Yeah. And [02:12:09] S1: I I think that as much as everyone really hated that era of AI art, they might come to remember it fondly because no one was getting fooled. [02:12:19] S0: Yeah. [02:12:19] S1: It was so clockable. Every time you'd see it, oh, ArtStation style, sci fi style, oh... [02:12:24] S0: What's fascinating about that though is how quickly that cycle comes back. Yeah. In fact For sure. [02:12:29] S4: In fashion we sort of joke that the nineteen eighties was just the nineteen forties on cocaine. [02:12:33] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [02:12:34] S0: Like it was... It used to [02:12:35] S4: take decades for... And if you think about it, they Yeah. Were all big shoulders in La Mei, [02:12:40] S0: which is what the post, you [02:12:42] S4: know, after the depression when people were working and they got back the big shoulders. Yeah. So it took... It used to take decades. Now we're nostalgic for the sixth finger that popped out [02:12:51] S1: Yeah. [02:12:52] S4: Much more recently. [02:12:53] S0: Yeah. Do you do you have wearing skinny jeans at all yet? Or is that like next year for you?
02:12:53 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:12:53] S0: Yeah. Do you do you have wearing skinny jeans at all yet? Or is that like next year for you? [02:12:59] S4: You saw that Prada show with the really super super... [02:13:01] S0: Well, I know. It's obviously it's obviously back. It's just whether or [02:13:05] S1: not you I just up on the big pant trend like six months ago. Jordi was like, stop wearing the skinny jeans. Those have been out of style for six years. [02:13:14] S0: No. You were so close. I should have just let you. Yeah. I should have just let I know. I should've just... I honestly couldn't I honestly couldn't do one more meeting though with John and just a pair of skinny jeans. I was like, [02:13:27] S4: I reached my breaking point. A broken clock is is right twice a [02:13:31] S0: decade, maybe. Yeah. Twice a century. [02:13:34] S4: Twice a century. [02:13:37] S0: But they are allegedly back, [02:13:38] S4: but I don't know if I'm gonna do... I don't know if... [02:13:40] S0: Let's go let's go this. Yeah. No. After this, let's go get a pair and let's let's take the leap together tonight. Okay. Fine. Yes. All over this good day. There we go. Amazing. Well, where can people get the book? Where should they get the book? [02:13:56] S4: I mean, book's on Amazon. Okay. The exhibition is at Beverly Hills. It opens tonight. Can't wait. It's on through the holidays. And on November 11, Ron Howard's documentary about this photographer Richard Avedon [02:14:08] S1: Is on Netflix. [02:14:08] S4: Will premiere? Yeah. Will drop? [02:14:10] S1: Drop. [02:14:11] S4: Will emerge? A launch. Yeah. Will launch?
02:14:11 · Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:14:11] S4: Will emerge? A launch. Yeah. Will launch? [02:14:13] S0: I like launch better than drop. Yeah. Drop is like going down. Yeah. Launching upwards. Up. [02:14:18] S4: Right. Oh, okay. Wow. [02:14:19] S1: Yeah. Launched. [02:14:20] S4: So new on. Okay, Jordi. Launched. Launched. Launched. Magically appears. Magically appears. [02:14:27] S1: That's some great Netflix content. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. [02:14:30] S0: Amazing. Well... [02:14:31] S1: Thank you so much for coming. [02:14:31] S4: We're gonna have... [02:14:32] S0: You're gonna close out the show with us. Always... Five stars. Wow. We're do something [02:14:36] S1: Sign up for earning... That you [02:14:37] S0: may not have seen. It's called the Flash... [02:14:38] S1: On tbpn.com. See you tomorrow.