02:05:58 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:05:58] S0: I think... Yeah. Maybe? Did you see Matt Damon and David Letterman doing cameos on the Gilded Age Sunday night? No, I didn't. [02:06:05] S4: I think the Easter egg, the Kitsch Okay. Revival the sweet nostalgia, I think we're... [02:06:10] S1: Yeah. That's where we're having fun. [02:06:12] S0: And maybe that is because [02:06:13] S4: the the the world, maybe until last [02:06:17] S0: night anyway, the real world has seemed so scary Sure. That we are searching for [02:06:21] S1: our... Release. [02:06:21] S0: Are there any new ideas in fashion? Because it's funny because I saw there was a there was a founder of a of a... Leave this very general, apparel brand. [02:06:32] S4: Mhmm. [02:06:32] S0: They were just completely crashing out writing this super long... All these all these were all these words complaining that like people were copying their photography style. [02:06:45] S4: Thought it was funny... The designer was complaining about the photography? [02:06:48] S0: Yeah, yeah. Just like the presentation of the Founder [02:06:50] S1: one brand is saying founder of other brand is making their website photos look like my website photos. [02:06:55] S0: Yeah, yeah. Our our brand, you know, basically just mimicking. But the photos are... Well, thought it was interesting because like they clearly had just found like from the archives like a specific style that had been done by someone else. They were the first to adopt it. [02:07:09] S4: So the complainer was already mimicking.
02:07:09 · Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:07:09] S4: So the complainer was already mimicking. [02:07:11] S0: Yeah. Because somebody brand new. It like, wow. This idea of like being... If I was first to it, then I own it. I... Yeah. [02:07:20] S4: Like, which which I [02:07:20] S0: don't necessarily agree with. Like Mhmm. We've had plenty of people take inspiration from TBPN and I'm always kind of, you know, however... [02:07:28] S4: You should write them [02:07:28] S0: a long email. Yeah. Well, done that because we didn't invent television. Yeah. Exactly. As much as I would have liked to invent television, we didn't. Yeah. A handful of people got there first. [02:07:38] S4: Yeah. Isn't that sort of the problem with AI though, is that it's it's written entirely in existing stuff? [02:07:44] S0: Yeah. But I feel like all new ideas are based entirely on remake, like [02:07:48] S1: Yeah. [02:07:48] S0: When when... Have we had a new idea in like the last eighty years? [02:07:51] S4: Work it out in the remix. That's what you should tell your friend who was complaining about... [02:07:55] S1: Work it out in the remix. Yeah. What what do think? No. [02:07:58] S0: But but that's the thing, like AI is just drawing from all these different inspirations. [02:08:03] S4: That exist. [02:08:03] S0: That exist. That's also exactly how like all the most creative people I know generate new things. [02:08:12] S4: Yeah. They're just [02:08:13] S1: like Take inspiration. [02:08:14] S0: Pulling from the archive, pulling from something that's [02:08:15] S4: that's not specific to fashion or photography. Think we see
02:08:15 · Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Anish Agarwal
[02:08:15] S4: that's not specific to fashion or photography. Think we see [02:08:18] S0: Yeah. [02:08:18] S4: Know, anytime you see a new film, there's always a... Oh, they nicked this sequence off of... [02:08:23] S1: Yeah. Yeah. You you mentioned Richard Avedon had a contract that was up, and that was a a one to one relationship effectively. He he he was only working for Harper's. Is that right? [02:08:34] S4: And this was also a time when you could afford to keep photographers on This [02:08:38] S1: is changing. So I saw someone talk about how I think it was New York Magazine and a other publications... [02:08:46] S4: Interview Magazine, They [02:08:48] S1: hired the same photographer and the cover photos looked identical because it was the same photographer because the photographer needs to work for multiple publications. [02:08:56] S0: Yeah. [02:08:56] S1: And so it's harder for Elle to have their look and and New York Magazine to have their look or whatever the examples [02:09:03] S6: were. [02:09:03] S4: That's a little new that that photographer doesn't have an agent. [02:09:06] S1: Okay. Oh, oh, because they would have sold an exclusive for this period. [02:09:09] S4: Think an agent or something. I don't know. I don't... So that story was everywhere. [02:09:13] S0: Okay. Especially in my little... Better, so tell...
02:09:13 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:09:13] S0: Okay. Especially in my little... Better, so tell... [02:09:17] S4: People were horrifying that that this guy accepted commissions from so many competing publications Yeah. And his style is so distinctive. Yeah. One would assume an agent would have been like, maybe you say yes to Elle or Vogue. Yes. You don't say yes to Elle and Vogue in interview. I think there were five or six. [02:09:32] S1: There were really four. And and one of them or one pair even had like the same clothes. [02:09:36] S4: Yes. Same Chanel dress. Look at you. [02:09:38] S0: Hey, Caleb. Okay. [02:09:53] S1: But but yes. So so so it was mostly just a mistake, lack of agent, because an agent would have intermediated that a little bit more. [02:10:00] S0: Yes. And I think historically Mhmm. [02:10:03] S4: Like even as far back as the nineties, as recently as the nineties, most publishing houses locked down photographers. Yeah. So, for example, Annie Leibovitz only shot for Vanity Fair [02:10:14] S1: That's right. [02:10:14] S4: And Vogue. Yeah. You know, they had these million dollar contracts. [02:10:17] S1: Yep. [02:10:17] S4: And now... It's changing. Because of the diminished fortunes of the publishing world in fashion magazines. You can't lock down [02:10:24] S0: Yeah. This new hot... I think he's [02:10:26] S4: a Polish photographer. Yeah. His name is very... There's like a lot of consonants in there. [02:10:30] S0: Yeah. Do it. Predominantly. I'm not gonna... Please.... Tempt to say. [02:10:33] S1: He seemed like he had a really cool style. I thought the photos were beautiful.
02:10:33 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg
[02:10:33] S1: He seemed like he had a really cool style. I thought the photos were beautiful. [02:10:35] S0: It... Super unique style, so when you do that unique thing Yeah. [02:10:39] S4: The same dress in several publications Yeah. It became a... [02:10:43] S0: Yeah. But it's also not uncommon now... Let's bring him to tech. [02:10:47] S1: He's the so humble... [02:10:48] S0: Tech people tech people will not seen any any of these things. They'll be in the clear. Truly. [02:10:53] S4: You could [02:10:53] S0: do all the headshots [02:10:54] S4: and the very distinctive... Probably. [02:10:56] S0: It was a great [02:10:56] S4: picture of him with Willem Dafoe Yeah. Having like a dollhouse on his head. Okay. Uh-uh. So it'd be very unique tech world imagery. Yeah. [02:11:04] S1: Till you found your building a house of cards on top of their head. It was. [02:11:07] S0: It was, wow. Car today. No. I I really wish that we had a magazine because we we like there there's no one in in this sort of like no new media businesses and technology truly understand the gap between a good photo and a great photo. I think... That's what [02:11:32] S4: we can do together. [02:11:32] S1: It'd be fun. [02:11:33] S0: I think so. That's our next project. Let's do it. Let's do it. We're we're ready. I mean, there's a lot of people For sure. That that need a good photograph in this industry that have a [02:11:43] S1: 100%. [02:11:44] S0: Interesting story to tell. [02:11:45] S4: Or I can just face tune [02:11:46] S0: them, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
02:11:46 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Derek Blasberg
[02:11:46] S0: them, you know? Yeah. Yeah. [02:11:48] S1: Just the sloppiest AI. Yeah. I mean, we've been laughing about the... This idea that people will eventually be nostalgic for the AI art of 2023, the six fingers, the sloppy... [02:12:00] S0: Did you see Katy Perry clockable. [02:12:01] S4: Wore six finger on the red carpet of the Met Gala? [02:12:04] S1: Yes. It's already coming back. It's already being adopted as as camp and ironic. [02:12:09] S4: Yeah. And [02:12:09] S1: I I think that as much as everyone really hated that era of AI art, they might come to remember it fondly because no one was getting fooled. [02:12:19] S0: Yeah. [02:12:19] S1: It was so clockable. Every time you'd see it, oh, ArtStation style, sci fi style, oh... [02:12:24] S0: What's fascinating about that though is how quickly that cycle comes back. Yeah. In fact For sure. [02:12:29] S4: In fashion we sort of joke that the nineteen eighties was just the nineteen forties on cocaine. [02:12:33] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [02:12:34] S0: Like it was... It used to [02:12:35] S4: take decades for... And if you think about it, they Yeah. Were all big shoulders in La Mei, [02:12:40] S0: which is what the post, you [02:12:42] S4: know, after the depression when people were working and they got back the big shoulders. Yeah. So it took... It used to take decades. Now we're nostalgic for the sixth finger that popped out [02:12:51] S1: Yeah. [02:12:52] S4: Much more recently. [02:12:53] S0: Yeah. Do you do you have wearing skinny jeans at all yet? Or is that like next year for you?