01:59:09 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, Apoorva Mehta
[01:59:09] S1: Yeah. Strange. That's [01:59:10] S0: my And I would say at least half of our friends just said just said like they they responded like, This is hilarious. Like, that's funny. And then as soon as we went live, then they texted again and said [01:59:25] S1: I can't believe this oh, [01:59:26] S0: I thought this was AI, like that's you guys are completely insane. Oh, thought it was [01:59:29] S4: like a filter. [01:59:29] S0: Yeah. Yeah. They thought it [01:59:30] S1: was filter. On single video... [01:59:33] S0: And so going back to this like IRL thing, it's like we should probably do a live show [01:59:38] S1: Yeah. [01:59:39] S0: In the full... Oh, [01:59:40] S1: that's probably it. Halloween should be our live show. I think that's good. That's a really... [01:59:44] S0: Hot and sweaty in [01:59:45] S1: there? It's terrible. [01:59:46] S0: Oh, it's horrible. [01:59:46] S1: It's insane. [01:59:47] S0: It's horrible. It feels like you're... [01:59:49] S1: It feels like you're suffocating. Yeah. It feels like you're being buried alive. [01:59:52] S0: Yeah. It feels like you're in a submarine [01:59:53] S4: and a... I demand the live... [01:59:56] S1: You wanna come on the Halloween show? Come on the Halloween show. [01:59:59] S0: Or the April Fools show. We'll get [02:00:00] S1: you in full Richard Avedon makeup. [02:00:02] S4: Or maybe you should do this like seasonally. [02:00:04] S0: Yeah. Don't [02:00:06] S3: want to [02:00:06] S1: leave too many plans but we have more. [02:00:08] S0: We're... Like [02:00:09] S4: a turkey [02:00:10] S0: this month.
02:00:10 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Derek Blasberg, Alex Spiro
[02:00:10] S0: this month. [02:00:10] S1: Oh, turkey? [02:00:12] S4: We need Santa Claus, but also in the North America. Have we have [02:00:16] S1: to really... [02:00:16] S0: Turkey is insane. [02:00:19] S4: Is insane. Or maybe one of Donald Trump and pardon the Turkey. [02:00:22] S0: Oh, okay. But but isn't the isn't the isn't the the coffee table book industry like doing better than ever? [02:00:30] S4: I think anything you can touch is now becoming Yeah. Better. Yeah. I saw you guys have... [02:00:34] S1: Because you can't get an audiobook of that and you can't get the summary of that and you have to enjoy... The only way to enjoy it... Think no one wants the ChatGPT summary of that book. [02:00:42] S4: I also your coffee table experience. 100%. [02:00:45] S0: Yeah. Yeah. Is hard. Is hard. It's hard. Way to signal it's a way to signal too to your house guests that you're more sophisticated. [02:00:53] S4: You know who Richard Avedon is. I saw in your lobby that you have the Vanity Fair sports issue, [02:00:59] S0: and in that issue Yes. [02:01:00] S4: Came out a couple months ago, I wrote an article about how live sports... Yeah. You know, I'm I'm sure you guys have well... Yeah. It's been well documented here that the Lakers are sold for $12,500,000,000. Like, I think the the live sports industry has exploded because in a post COVID, post AI world Mhmm. Those in person experiences have become so much more [02:01:19] S2: Yeah.
02:01:19 · Alex Spiro, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[02:01:19] S2: Yeah. [02:01:19] S4: Viable and enriching. And not only for us who who, like, want to see people and be out, but also even to the point about the the costumes you guys did, like you guys... People are now going out because they want to take a picture of themselves. Mhmm. They're looking for content. [02:01:35] S1: Yeah. And you know it's real because you were there. [02:01:37] S2: It's all the [02:01:38] S1: dunk you saw. [02:01:38] S0: Yeah. Friday Friday night, I I was walking by someone and I overheard them say, I don't even want to go to this party. I just want to get a picture and then we'll leave. And and I was like, that's actually a good use of AI. Like, you really save yourself... No. [02:01:56] S4: But they're [02:01:56] S0: they're like, I wanna I don't wanna... Yeah, don't wanna fully LARP. [02:01:59] S1: Okay. [02:01:59] S0: I just wanna partially LARP. [02:02:01] S4: Yeah. Maybe that's another business, guys. Maybe the... [02:02:04] S1: Yeah. [02:02:05] S4: The be there. Arfing as a service. Yeah. [02:02:07] S0: Yeah. We'll send people there. [02:02:09] S1: Yeah. [02:02:09] S0: With a... Yeah. Get me up to speed on [02:02:12] S1: the golden age. You mentioned the golden age of of fashion photography. Like, what what years are we talking? What were the iconic moments? [02:02:19] S4: So probably post war was really great. [02:02:21] S1: Okay. It's the boom of magazines, so that's where people are consuming this? [02:02:26] S0: And also, this was a moment when you could really shift culture
02:02:26 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:02:26] S0: And also, this was a moment when you could really shift culture [02:02:30] S4: Yeah. In magazines. There's there's an iconic portrait in here of a model called Chino Machado Mhmm. Who's an Asian model. Mhmm. And Richard Avedon took her picture Mhmm. Submitted the submitted the the film, and the publisher of Harper's Bazaar called and said reshoot these pictures on a white girl. [02:02:44] S1: Oh, wow. [02:02:45] S4: And his contract was up for renewal and he said, will not renew my contract if you don't run these pictures. [02:02:50] S0: Yeah. And so [02:02:51] S4: this woman became the first non white model in [02:02:53] S0: a nationally syndicated fashion magazine, not because [02:02:56] S4: Yeah. A magazine was suddenly progressive Yeah. It's because this guy was gonna quit. Yeah. He would... They were [02:03:00] S0: blackmailed into doing that. Yeah. He also, you [02:03:04] S4: know, the the Beatles, he shot Bob Dylan, he shot... Yeah. He he was obsessed with with young people with... What [02:03:11] S1: was the crossover there? Like, why why are the Beatles and and Dylan relevant to the golden age of fashion photography? Was this the moment when the musicians were becoming fashion icons? Like, always? [02:03:22] S4: Yeah. Well, sure. Beethoven, you know, he was obviously a... Mozart. Another great costume guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Another... Think of the wig.... [02:03:32] S0: So hard. [02:03:34] S4: I'll come [02:03:34] S1: back for the [02:03:35] S4: wig for the wig show. [02:03:36] S0: Okay. Okay. [02:03:36] S4: Yeah. Unbelievable. All the...
02:03:36 · Derek Blasberg, Jordi Hays, John Coogan
[02:03:36] S4: Yeah. Unbelievable. All the... [02:03:40] S0: You're good at this. You're good at at this. In another life, you were a technology, you know, live streamer. Or [02:03:48] S4: a New York Post headline writer. [02:03:50] S1: Oh, yeah.... Headline writer. We try and track... Try and channel that every time we can. It's always the best. Puns are so good. [02:03:58] S4: I think in the sixties, like youth quick culture [02:04:00] S1: Okay. [02:04:00] S4: Suddenly all of these influences Yeah. Were smashed together. Yeah. And that's what I think, for me anyway, and the argument that we're making in this magazine Yeah. That was sort of the golden age of [02:04:12] S1: photography. What's coming back right now in terms of fashion photography? Because it doesn't feel like we are in a moment where everyone's ripping off Richard Avedon right now. Maybe that'll happen in a decade, maybe in two years, maybe it already happened. I don't know if there's been a revival movement yet. But what is the trend currently? What what is the trend calling back to currently? Do have an idea? [02:04:35] S4: That's a great question. Yeah. When you think of fashion photography now, you actually think of multiple deliverables. Yeah. So like when Avedon was taking these pictures, he would take 10 shots. Yep. And now, if you're booked for a job Yeah. You're taking 10 pictures, you're taking, you know, a couple cut down reels to put on social, maybe you do a hero video for the YouTube page. [02:04:56] S1: Yeah. It's a lot. [02:04:57] S0: So there's... I don't know if the... You know, so
02:04:57 · Jordi Hays, Derek Blasberg, John Coogan
[02:04:57] S0: So there's... I don't know if the... You know, so [02:05:01] S4: much of Avedon's work with the white background... Do you guys remember when we were young? I think we're... I'm probably a little bit older than you, but we're probably the same generation. Do you remember the the early CK one ads, white background? Yep. [02:05:10] S0: Totally. That was, you know, that was Yeah. [02:05:12] S4: Yeah. Avedon work Injuries. Which Calvin Klein has Yep. Has recycled [02:05:16] S1: That makes sense. [02:05:16] S4: Even after his death. So there's definitely callbacks to his influence. But did you guys see the the Gucci holiday video that broke yesterday? No. It's Mariah Carey. [02:05:28] S1: Okay. [02:05:28] S4: It's Mariah Carey walking into a house party singing like and... [02:05:33] S1: It's Christmas themed? It's... What's... I'm in. Say no more. [02:05:37] S4: I just... [02:05:38] S0: Sounds brutal. [02:05:39] S4: What was the... She has a famous holiday, so the... [02:05:41] S1: Yeah. All I Want for Christmas. There we go. [02:05:43] S0: Yes. That was a test. I just wanted to see if you... [02:05:45] S1: Yeah. It's fifty days. I'm I'm warmed up. And... I've been on the road to Christmas for two months. Okay. [02:05:52] S0: And I think that that is sadly what... Well, sadly because I I... [02:05:56] S1: The Kitsch revival? Camp revival? [02:05:58] S0: I think... Yeah. Maybe? Did you see Matt Damon and David Letterman doing cameos on the Gilded Age Sunday night? No, I didn't.