00:48:41 · Guillaume Moubeche, Alan Chang
[00:48:41] S1: Okay. Okay. Okay. Really cool. I know we're almost, like, out of time, so I want I want to also be cautious. I I would like to touch base on on another topic because you're obviously, like, quite young. You've made money very, very young, and and also, like, now you're running this billion dollar company. Do you basically, like, feel lonely from time to time because of, you know, like the pressure that you might have, the fact that you're building, a company that probably the friends you had when you were, like, younger are not experiencing, like, the same life changes as you are growing maybe, like, as fast as you are? [00:49:23] S0: I mean, for me, the great thing about building a company is you surround with... Surround yourself with people who are as motivated as superintelligent. Basically, like minded people. Right? And I love it. Right? I enjoy... I love going to, you know, I love going to battle with the team every single day. So, yeah, I mean, I do I feel stressed? Yeah. Of course. But the way I de stress is, you know... Like, what causes stress? Right? Stress is caused by problems you have not solved yet. If you have solved a problem, you don't have stress. So the best way to be stressed is solve problems. And the fastest way to solve problems is to hire, you know, a brilliant team. I surround myself with, brilliant people. Right? So, you know you know, keep hiring more brilliant people. Right? Expanding team helps me de stress. Right? So I... That's my therapy. Right?
00:49:23 · Alan Chang, Guillaume Moubeche
[00:49:23] S0: I mean, for me, the great thing about building a company is you surround with... Surround yourself with people who are as motivated as superintelligent. Basically, like minded people. Right? And I love it. Right? I enjoy... I love going to, you know, I love going to battle with the team every single day. So, yeah, I mean, I do I feel stressed? Yeah. Of course. But the way I de stress is, you know... Like, what causes stress? Right? Stress is caused by problems you have not solved yet. If you have solved a problem, you don't have stress. So the best way to be stressed is solve problems. And the fastest way to solve problems is to hire, you know, a brilliant team. I surround myself with, brilliant people. Right? So, you know you know, keep hiring more brilliant people. Right? Expanding team helps me de stress. Right? So I... That's my therapy. Right? [00:50:34] S1: Makes sense. And what what would be, like, your best advice to hire, like, the the most exceptional team? [00:50:43] S0: I mean, beyond, like, the usual, like, you know, are they a great engineer? Are they a great designer? Hiring people, who cares? I really care. Do they do they give a shit? How do you feel about that? The brain the brain and the heart. Right? The brain is all the heart skills, you know, someone has, but also the heart is important. Right? Do they give a shit about the work they do? [00:51:18] S1: How do you test that? Like, how
00:51:18 · Guillaume Moubeche, Alan Chang
[00:51:18] S1: How do you test that? Like, how [00:51:20] S0: how do you know? You feel it. You can feel it. Right? You can feel the passion. You can feel when someone like... Like, when I explain to, you know, people, like, this is the problem we're trying to tackle. This is how we're gonna tackle it, like, more or less. Do they lean in and get excited, like, oh my god. This is amazing. Right? You know, LFG? Or do they lean back like, oh, I'm not sure. I need to think about it. You know? It's obvious. [00:51:54] S1: And final question, like, if you had to give an advice to Alan before he started, like, Fuse Energy, Like, what would that be? [00:52:18] S0: I'll say going going very deep on topics, like going very deep on domain. I think I've completely underestimated the complexity domain in the beginning. I just go in super deep and you need to understand. You know? The most important aspects in the company you just need to understand. You can't outsource understanding. That's probably the biggest mistake I made is not... Is outsourcing understanding in most important areas of the company. [00:52:55] S1: And if you've had understood the depths of what you're doing now, would you have started the company in the first place? [00:53:03] S0: Yeah. Yeah? I I would actually... Yeah. I would hesitate much less. Right? I would, you know, gain conviction much earlier if I know what... If if I knew what I know today.
00:53:03 · Alan Chang, Guillaume Moubeche
[00:53:03] S0: Yeah. Yeah? I I would actually... Yeah. I would hesitate much less. Right? I would, you know, gain conviction much earlier if I know what... If if I knew what I know today. [00:53:20] S1: And what was the one or two things that you discovered that made you feel like, I'm super confident about what I'm doing, and we're gonna basically become the the best energy company in the world? [00:53:33] S0: Like working here every day feels like, you know, you're in the tip of the iceberg, and you're discovering... You know, you're diving. And we're maybe we're like 10 meters deep, you know, and we're finding so many, you know, problems, right, that other energy companies just don't solve well. But then they they still, like... We don't... We still don't know how deep the aspect goes. Right? Maybe it's a 100 meters deep, or maybe it's, like, two kilometers. We don't know. [00:54:06] S1: And each problem to solve is a new business opportunity. [00:54:09] S0: Yeah. It's efficiency gain. Right? It's cost savings. [00:54:13] S1: And what takes I choose the most right now from all the projects you're working on?
00:54:13 · Guillaume Moubeche, Alan Chang
[00:54:13] S1: And what takes I choose the most right now from all the projects you're working on? [00:54:24] S0: Probably probably the, yeah, the mini solar and battery product we're building. Right? This is gonna be as beautiful as... You know, it's gonna be beautiful to look at. Right? So the the way I describe to the team of what we're building is this is an art piece in your home that saves you money, not the other way around. I like it's... Like, I I I think there are companies that ship products. That is just, like, super ugly. Like, I don't wanna put something ugly in my living room. No one does. [00:55:08] S1: So how exactly is that... That's gonna work? You're gonna put it on your window? Or like a... [00:55:12] S0: No. So basically, the battery, you can put it in your living room or you put it in your balcony or outdoors. It's up to you. It's it's it's gonna be waterproof. Okay. And then solar panels, you can hang over your balcony or on your backyard. Ah, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. [00:55:26] S1: But it's gonna look beautiful in your home. So inside is gonna be, like, really nice, and outside, it's like solar panel getting energy, essentially. And one product like this, how much energy do you think it can it can kind of, like, save or add for for each person? [00:55:43] S0: So we're we're talking a three year payback. So roughly, you know, €500 a year in savings, perks. [00:55:51] S1: Okay. Nice. Nice. Nice. And you said it at... Like, what's what's gonna be the the business model? Do people have to purchase a product from you, or do you, like, give
00:55:51 · Guillaume Moubeche, Alan Chang
[00:55:51] S1: Okay. Nice. Nice. Nice. And you said it at... Like, what's what's gonna be the the business model? Do people have to purchase a product from you, or do you, like, give [00:56:02] S0: it for free? And Yeah. So there's gonna be several several ways. Buy upfront if you want, but there's also gonna be a no upfront option. So no capital upfront. Yeah. So there's gonna be, like, more than one option. And for the very first time, right, there's gonna be one one software product for both your hardware and your energy, It's gonna work Can [00:56:28] S1: you explain a bit more? [00:56:30] S0: I mean, think about it. Normally, if you... Let's say if you get any battery or solar today, that battery manufacturer will have a separate battery app. Then obviously, you have a separate app with the energy company. Then you might have a third app, you know, it's called like energy management solutions, that aggregates everything together. So you have like one single view of what's happening in your home. So for the very first time, that's going be all combined. It's going to work seamlessly, and it's going to be, yeah, much better than [00:57:05] S1: Everything that's on the market. Yeah. Nice. Looking forward for you guys to to come to to France. I think we're almost out of time. So, Alan, like, what's the best way for for people to to connect or or apply at at CHOOSE? [00:57:26] S0: I mean, check out our openings in the website. We have many, many... We're hiring, well, as many good people as we can find. [00:57:34] S1: No number. I've understood that. Right?