00:08:09 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays, Eric Seufert
[00:08:09] S1: Yes. Yes. [00:08:10] S0: But, but, yeah, that that's part of what I honestly love about AI is there's a lot of things you can make now that never would have made sense to make because they would have taken you four days and it was good for, a small laugh. And now you can do it in four minutes. And and, it's just fun. [00:08:26] S1: Yeah. I I I think there's gonna be there's if you have some sort of, like, small custom some sort of custom functionality in your business, it feels like there's Is this the David Senra simulator? Why is this David Senra? [00:08:42] S0: Late nights in a Miami abandoned apartment Backrooms. Complex in 2015, just recording podcasts and reading. [00:08:50] S1: This is very creepy, like, horror backrooms, liminal space game. [00:08:55] S0: Stanley Tang, cofounder and CPO over at DoorDash says, I have an insane magic trick that so far none of the models can figure out including mythos. It's a bulletproof trick that I've shown to a 100 plus people including magicians that couldn't figure it out. It's not anywhere on the internet. Only way to know it is through first principles reasoning. [00:09:13] S2: Mhmm. [00:09:14] S0: Told everyone I'll believe in AGI when it can crack this trick. Well, GPT 5.6 just did How? I want him to I want him to actually open like [00:09:24] S1: Well, now Okay. [00:09:24] S0: Like, give us now that now that a model cracked [00:09:26] S1: it Explain it. Lot of magic tricks are like sleight of hand. So is he uploading a video or something? Like
00:09:26 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:09:26] S1: it Explain it. Lot of magic tricks are like sleight of hand. So is he uploading a video or something? Like [00:09:32] S0: Well, yeah. So John Palmer says I have a hilarious joke that so far none of the models think is funny. It's a bulletproof joke that I've told to a 100 people, including comedians, and no one laughed. It's not anywhere on the Internet. Only way to know it's funny is a first principle sense of humor. Told everyone I'll believe in AGI when it tells me a joke. The joke is funny. Well, 5.6 just did.
00:09:53 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:09:53] S1: Huge. Huge news. Huge news. Yeah. People are going back and forth. GBT 5.6 is a Porsche. Fable's like warp drive. I had a different experience. A fable is an f one car. 5.6 Solit Ultra is a Tesla Model x Plaid, does it find things that Fable misses during plannings and coding? Yes. Most of the time. But for the hardest problems, does Fable routinely find things that Fable that five point six doesn't? Also, yes, some of the time. Is five point six way faster and affordable? Yes. With an unlimited token budget, what am I currently using? 95 per 95 plus percent of the time, GPT 5.6 from Sikhi Chen. So interesting take that the Pareto frontier is alive and well, and everyone's duking it out for their slice of the AI opportunity. Very interesting seeing how the market share is shifting while during a time of acceleration, you have multiple companies that are growing revenues, even accelerating revenues, while market share is declining because the overall market's growing so fast that you that if you're only growing at 300% and someone else is growing 400%, you're losing market share where you have, like, one of the greatest businesses by modern metrics. Very, very interesting dynamics in AI. [00:11:04] S0: It's also funny because yesterday with Ben Thompson, you were like, it's some slow summer. [00:11:08] S1: And then in in [00:11:09] S0: the in the span of twenty four hours, you get Mach four five Muse 1.1. [00:11:16] S1: Yeah. I mean, this I don't know. This isn't this isn't as dramatic as the AI talent wars. It's not as dramatic as
00:11:16 · John Coogan, Jordi Hays
[00:11:16] S1: Yeah. I mean, this I don't know. This isn't this isn't as dramatic as the AI talent wars. It's not as dramatic as [00:11:24] S0: Rippling deal.
00:11:26 · John Coogan
[00:11:26] S1: Yeah. Yeah. This is this is new technology. And and there's only so much to there's only so much of a take to be given around these things. Although, AI twenty forty launched today, the sequel to AI twenty twenty seven, that's something that's more of a thought provoking piece that you can debate and interrogate and and talk through. I'm sure we'll go through some of it because they pose a couple interesting couple interesting ideas of where where AI might go and where they want it to go and how they want the industry to develop, sort of advocating for a slowdown generally. But it's an interesting way they puzzle piece all the different geopolitical chips on the table around. What else? Of course, people are joking about the lead is widening because the the Anthropic and OpenAI version numbers over time, g p d six is predicted, and it is it the the the model numbering, we were talking about this this morning that the numbers, they sort of don't mean anything anymore. Do the model numbers mean anything in particular? It used to be the the model number was the pre train, and then the and then the version number was the post train, but then that sort of got flipped around. And now it's just like, are you do you feel like you're competing at a four class or a five class? So I wouldn't be surprised if we saw, like, Muse Spark not not release Muse Spark two, but Muse Spark six or five and jump straight. I mean, Samsung wound up doing this where they jumped to the year, like, sort of like the car manufacturers where, you know, there's a five series BMW, but then there's also just the 2027 because that's the actual model year that's relevant.
00:13:14 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Jeffrey Morgan
[00:13:14] S0: Twenty twenty seven five series. [00:13:16] S1: Yeah. Which is sort of odd. And and we're sort of, like, duking it out between those. Do you have [00:13:21] S3: Yeah. I mean, I think post reasoning models, you just have, like, a different way to scale the models besides just pretraining. Yeah. So it's hard to bake that all into one number that, like, is, you know, evocative of of both those, like, two ways.