Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
01:05:35 · Andrew Ambrosino, S1, S2
[01:05:35] S0: I don't know. I think they're all very different. I think the things that make it tough for one person make it easy for others. There's a lot. There's so much, so many takes on this and this triad, what's going to happen with this triad? Designers are done or should designers code? Are PMs cooked? Do we not need engineers anymore because PMs are going to write all the code? Or are designers going to PM now? And everybody's cooked and everybody's so back. And I don't know. There's some convergence, there's some fluidity that is being introduced that I think is refreshing and great, especially for people with agency that want to be able to just do the thing that needs to get done. And at the same time, like we talked about, there are some things that shouldn't go away. But I think people should find the stuff that's worth working on and go figure out what to do on those things. [01:06:32] S1: That is a beautiful way to end it. Andrew, thank you so much for being here. [01:06:35] S0: Thank you. [01:06:36] S1: Bye, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. If you found this valuable, you can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Also, please consider giving us a rating or leaving a review as that really helps other listeners find the podcast. You can find all past episodes or learn more about the show at lennyspodcast.com. See you in the next episode. [01:07:02] S2: I love that thing about Brent and the Premiere. [01:07:04] S0: Yeah. [01:07:04] S2: That's cool. I've actually used Codex to edit edits as well.
01:07:04 · S2, S1, Andrew Ambrosino
[01:07:04] S2: That's cool. I've actually used Codex to edit edits as well. [01:07:07] S1: There we go. [01:07:09] S2: It's basically simple stuff like, "Oh, could you just cut this into the three breaks?" If there's a pause in conversation, the second, and Codex understands it. [01:07:19] S0: Basically every job we feel like starts with a story like this, which is the product's not designed for it, but it's sort of a blank chatbot that can write code. So it can do everything, but what are the useful things for it to do? [01:07:34] S2: Right. I mean, people just have to have curiosity about the project. They have to have an intentional outcome and use Codex as the platform for that just to see what happens because there's no risk at all. [01:07:34] S0: Right. [01:07:34] S1: Just a few tokens. [01:07:49] S2: A few tokens. But of course, if you're working for OpenAI, there's less risks on that regard. [01:07:59] S0: You asked one of them, or a lot of them actually, what skills are important? And then you've also had conversations about the cracked new grad versus the... [01:08:06] S1: Right, yeah. [01:08:07] S0: I don't know if you're married to the exact process you have right now. I don't know what advice to ever give, but if there's one piece, it's like, "Do not get married to your exact process." Get married to the outcomes that you are uniquely able to deliver and then do things like change your process to try things. [01:08:28] S1: You just keep doing more nuggets. [01:08:29] S0: If you're like, "I'm the best at understanding Figma auto layout." What are you doing?
01:08:29 · Andrew Ambrosino, S1, S3
[01:08:29] S0: If you're like, "I'm the best at understanding Figma auto layout." What are you doing? [01:08:33] S1: Right. Because AI is going to be better at that also. [01:08:36] S0: Yeah. [01:08:36] S1: You just keep spouting interesting things. [01:08:38] S0: Keep it in. [01:08:39] S3: It's crazy the level of self-awareness that's required to be successful with AI. [01:08:39] S0: It is. [01:08:39] S3: Yeah. [01:08:46] S0: It's also why I'm nervous to ever say, "This is how something's going to be." Because I think about my parents are open-minded people. They are into their careers, but just the stuff that works here, it's not going to work with everybody. There's no nice way of saying that. [01:09:00] S3: Yeah. [01:09:01] S0: But the people who are here are self-selecting for like, "Oh, I am somebody who just figures out the next thing to do." And that's just not... Most of the population will not be an early adopter of things. [01:09:13] S1: And there's also just, it's kind of a bummer to have to relearn things all the time. [01:09:13] S0: Yeah. [01:09:18] S1: It's like, "God damn it, just to learn a new thing again." [01:09:22] S0: I hate repetition. This is a me thing. This is why I'm not ever the best media person either because I hate repeating myself. [01:09:31] S1: Perfect. [01:09:32] S0: Sucks to be a founder when you hate repeating yourself because you have to. [01:09:35] S1: Repeater in chief. [01:09:36] S0: And so to me, I'm like, "If I can come in and do my job in a different way every day, love it." But that's not...
01:09:36 · Andrew Ambrosino, S1
[01:09:36] S0: And so to me, I'm like, "If I can come in and do my job in a different way every day, love it." But that's not... [01:09:44] S1: You found product market fit for your job. [01:09:46] S0: Yes. Yeah. No, that's how it... I can't negotiate because I'm like, "Well, I don't want other jobs." [01:09:54] S1: Amazing, man. [01:09:55] S0: Yeah. [01:09:55] S1: Well, thank you.