00:13:44 · Matt Goddard
[00:13:44] S1: That's it, that's it. And in in the way that we've heard over time, trading standards, you know, we've we've we've had these changes, we've had to implement them CRMs to pass them on to the portals, and the portals display the actual costs, not just um how much how much the rent's going to be, but all the associate fees that people have to pay to move into a new property. The fact that a third are missing it, is that such a surprise? Uh, you know, especially when the the big portal has maybe got uh inaccurate fees on their website. But I think the the big interesting one this website um this website this week, other than uh the right move news was the government claiming that home buying reform uh reforms are going to actually save property firms 116 million a year. Um this came up in a couple of articles, didn't it, Mel? And what do you make of it?
00:14:28 · Mal McCallion
[00:14:28] S0: Yeah, we were trying to do some calculations before we came on there, not very successfully, about actually how many what what that meant for each individual property business. So it is, we think the late hundreds, low thousands perhaps per business. But yeah, you know, look, anything like this is kind of welcome in terms of uh being able to uh yeah to see something that is going to help agents to and other property professionals and clean conveyances to to keep more of their money. And yeah, you know, the home buying process clearly needs some kind of overhaul. The fact that they are trying to grasp it is is positive, hoping that you know everybody involved who is you know getting together and building these things out and build something that you know just looks like Scotland, right? Just do that. It's up there.
00:15:11 · Matt Goddard
[00:15:11] S1: It's really easy. It's it's 116 million seems to almost global, if doesn't it? Like if we take roughly uh 24,000 estate agencies in the UK, that's 5,000 uh pounds a year saving. That doesn't seem enough if you think about the the sort of heads that you have in the business, moving paperwork around, following up on these things, dealing with fall-throughs, dealing with what is it now, 16-week chains. Um and and if you take another government figure, um the private rented sector database, which got launched and is rolling out at the moment, it's 65 quid a year to register a property. That means it's around about 327 million a year the government's gonna make through those registrations. And then on the other hand, it's saying actually we're gonna make half of that saving for you property firms through changing this. So maybe it's it's more like the different departments aren't conferring over the the impact of this, or they are purposely lowballing it so they can say in the future, ta-da, look what we've done. Yeah. Or maybe just the fact they don't think they're actually gonna be able to roll this out and don't want to put too big a figure on it, albeit 116 million is quite a decent figure, right? But maybe their mass is bad as ours.
00:16:16 · Mal McCallion
[00:16:16] S0: So yeah, I'd like you, I'm kind of thinking that the actual staff costs, you know, of actually chasing all this stuff is huge. Um, the you know, the full th the increased fall through is because over time, inevitably more fall through the longer it goes on. So if you constantly are up, then you know less fall through. So yeah, I'd I'd probably think they could have been a little bit more aggressive in terms of what those savings were, but uh, but yes, we shall see whether whether and when these alleged savings actually arrive. All right, that is our uh properties this week. Um let us move on to our 100th AI and tech news. All right, there's only really one story in AI tech news, although we will do two others, and that's about Black October, as we are now calling it. This is when essentially last week, PHP, which is a programming language, um, a kind of catastrophic flaw was found by AI in everything that's got PHP associated with it, which is something like 70% of um of the entire internet is is built on, or at least has a piece of this um this particular coding in it. So it started to kind of ripple, didn't it? Sort of on Tuesday. I started to see some sites go down and Google Cloud went down, and then all the way through Wednesday and Thursday, various others. Matt, from your um vast knowledge, what's what's been happening here? Um yeah, what's uh what's gonna happen?
00:17:28 · Matt Goddard
[00:17:28] S1: I think the first point is actually Google Cloud was separate to PHP going down. Just as you say, the PHP is sort of the backbone of the internet in a way, it's been around since the 90s, and 70% of um of the internet does does have some form of PHP in. It's an interesting one because when it started to hit, I was actually in a website company's offices, and it wasn't so much at their issue because uh anyone who knows websites and WordPress is is fundamentally based on top of PHP, and and this company uses WordPress in some ways, but it was actually it was more interesting to see the companies that didn't start notifying people to say there was an issue because you start thinking, well, hold on, so question mark we touched on before, you know, you've had emails from RedBit saying, look, you you need to notify us if you've got this in your stack. Like people have been very, very proactive, and and actually I've been more thinking about the companies who haven't been in touch to say, you know, we've got an issue, especially when I know that they've got PHP in the background. It's like, well, why haven't you notified us? One one particular company came back and went, Oh, we knew within an hour fixed it, we didn't need to tell you. And it's like that's uh it's an interesting approach to cybersecurity. Right. Yeah. But uh, this is actually it was found about two months ago. Um, in the background, and I I sort of maybe misrepresented it on LinkedIn in the post because I said, you know, part of mythos was all these zero-day vulnerabilities being discovered. There's one guy actually claiming this PHP 2 shell, which is the the sort of the brief name for it. He discovered it by saying into um uh ChatGPT 5.6 Sol, find me some sort of vulnerabilities in in PHP. And apparently it went off and found them. But it was found two months ago by someone at OpenAI, sort of alerted all the authorities, and as part of that sort of glass wing collection of businesses, they all started working together. Um, and over the last two months they've notified companies like Cloudflare, who've got sort of a third of the internet, so they could proactively start trying to block any malicious and bad actors as and when this sort of news broke.
00:19:23 · Matt Goddard
But I guess what's interesting is like given it was discovered two months ago, given the number of companies involved trying to shut all of this down before they sort of announced the patch, because um obviously if PHP the business and and sort of the people fix the protocol and put that out in their release notes that there's a patch to fix a vulnerability, suddenly everyone spots it and they'll start they'll start working on it. And I was I was listening to a podcast with Matthew Prince, who's the CEO of Cloudflare, who support about a third of the internet, and he was saying that in the build-up they'd had maybe thousands of attacks on their their sort of their clients' data and people trying to use this. And as soon as the patch was released, it was tens of millions a minute of um people trying to exploit the vulnerability. And I think to summarize what can happen without having credentials or keys or or any of the normal sort of things you put in place for security, people for using this vulnerability could start running code on your server, just like literally walking through the front door and start maliciously acting. And um, obviously that's extremely dangerous. I know you you had to start um working, didn't you? Because some of the the platforms you rely on were exposed with this vulnerability as well.