01:43:16 · David Senra, Luca Ferrari
[01:43:16] S0: chess blindfolded. There's a story in that, I think, the episode he just did where he's, like, playing with his back turned. And he goes, hold on. You told me the wrong move. Three moves again. I mean, he's obviously genius of IQ. Charlie Munger's on record saying he was the smartest single human he ever met in his entire life. And imagine all the people that Munger met in his entire life. Singleton took Teledyne public almost immediately. Did you know when you started Bending Spoons and you're like, okay, we're not going to stick with one company, we're going keep acquiring, started having you did really small acquisitions, they were successful, you kept on that path. Was the plan for you and your co founders like this is going be a public company one day? [01:43:50] S1: I'd say when we talked about public versus private, I think more often than not, we thought this would at some point be a public company. There are advantages and disadvantages in being a public company. I'd say for most companies, the advantages greater than the disadvantages. And for a company like Bending Spoons that requires capital to grow fast, I think the advantages are way too large. I mean, it's not really a discussion that you should be public. But yes, it's not all roses, obviously there are new pressures and incentives and noise that you'd be better off without for sure. [01:44:22] S0: How long it lasts when, okay, we know we're going go public to you actually went public?
01:44:22 · David Senra, Luca Ferrari
[01:44:22] S0: How long it lasts when, okay, we know we're going go public to you actually went public? [01:44:26] S1: We like to make decisions as late as possible. I think that procrastination is awesome if it doesn't come from laziness. Because if you postpone decisions, you often have more information when you actually get to make them. [01:44:42] S0: Singleton said something like this, where he's like, if you don't make a decision, in many cases, it resolves itself. Yeah. So it removes the need to make a decision.
01:44:50 · Luca Ferrari
[01:44:50] S1: It's a slightly different thing. It's not a reason why... It's a subset of what I said, meaning... So there are some decisions that there is... The only advantage of making them now is that you can forget about them. So there's something to say about that. And I think if the decision is not particularly important, sometimes the moment you bring it up, just make it so that, you know, you can free up your RAM to to to tackle other tasks. But if the decision is so critical as to whether you should be a public company or not, or whether you want to buy a company or another, generally speaking, you're better off delaying it as much as possible, or at least there's almost no cost to delaying it other than the slight discomfort that you know it's still on your shelf, you need to still need to make it. And there are advantages, or at least no... I mean, worst case scenario, you'll be just as well off when you eventually make it as you were early. But often you have more information. Maybe, as we're just saying, the boundary conditions shift and you just don't need to make it any longer because it's irrelevant. Maybe you have made a decision one way, but then as the world changes or you learn something else that you had failed to spot earlier, you end up with a different option. And so with the IPO, we decided relatively early, probably something like first half of twenty twenty five, that we would want to prepare to go public in the near to medium term, so probably late twenty five, mid twenty six, late twenty six. But we would delay the decision as to whether actually to pull the trigger to as late as possible in the process. So we knew that we were probably gonna be a public company at some point, I'd say, certainly by late twenty five, no doubt about it. But we we didn't know if we would go public necessarily in in early July twenty six. We just said, okay, let's get ready and then we'll see. I think the definitive decision of, okay, we will go public as soon as possible, definitively, we made that decision in the spring of twenty six.
01:46:46 · David Senra
[01:46:46] S0: Earlier, you said that assuming that first thing a company has to do is have a strategy, assuming that strategy is good, then the most important thing is talent acquisition. How do you articulate the strategy of Bending Spoons?
01:46:58 · Luca Ferrari
[01:46:58] S1: Basically, want to achieve the maximum level of operational excellence, which means getting the most out of a business possible, by any means necessary, both in our case, structural means, such as integrating everything on the same platform so that we eliminate all redundancies and we can achieve all sorts of scale advantages and network advantages, and sheer by investment in talent and technology. By any means possible, we want to achieve the greatest advantage as an operator. And once you have that, meaning a business is better off with you than with almost anybody else, once you have that for a sufficiently large number of businesses, then you're almost guaranteed to be able to compound capital very efficiently through acquisitions. Because by definition, mathematically, if a business is better off with you than with everybody else, if there are enough of those out there, you should be the best, the highest bidder when it's on sale, and the seller should still get excellent returns their sale and you get excellent returns. So we probably focus 99% of our resources and efforts being the best operator, building up that platform, unlocking as much of these structural advantages as we possibly can, and remarkably little in in the acquisition side of things. We are very deliberate, highly sophisticated, but once we have a powerful platform and these structural advantages, then it actually gets pretty easy to deliver very high returns through acquisitions. It's not that we see necessarily things in businesses that nobody else saw, just that we know those businesses are going do so much better with us than with almost anybody else. We can offer more.
01:48:38 · David Senra, Luca Ferrari
[01:48:38] S0: And that operational excellence allows you to bid higher as well. I think you said like you're pretty sure that you bid maybe 50% higher than the next highest bid on like Evernote, for example. [01:48:48] S1: Yeah. Mean, don't know if I cannot never know for absolutely sure because you don't, you know, obviously, the sell side only tells you so much, but I'm pretty confident that our offer was way, way higher than the... Which, by the way, in hindsight, we should have negotiated better. [01:49:05] S0: No, we talked about this at lunch. I think you have a very unique... Let's talk about this now. You had a very unique approach to negotiation. I'm pretty sure you explicitly said you don't want to come in as like how most people do. It's like, let me just put a really low number right now, and then you say a higher one, and then we go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.