Going Direct Conversations
00:50:41 · Michael Cho, Jordan Wolfe, Chris Paxton
So all these, I feel that can be incentivized with crypto if done well. So anyway, I don't want to shoot my project too much, but effectively, that's my belief for the last few years. So really want to really get, yeah, take a good crack at using it. Yeah, I do believe it. I mean, you know, if it's done well, I think it can be, It definitely won't be the scale of all these large AI labs, but I think it still can be maybe a few billion of US dollar kind of resources that can be gathered this way. I think crypto is way more mature now. There's a lot of capital within the crypto market. And I think if we can activate those capital and then pull it and then turn it around and give to people like Crystal, then again, accelerate their work, I think that would be a great thing to try. [00:51:33] S2: Cool. All right, you guys ready for a little rapid fire for a rip-up? [00:51:38] S1: Yeah, let's do it. [00:51:39] S2: Sure. All right. I'll start with you, Chris, and then Mike, I'll go over to you. What's one myth about robotics you wish you would die? [00:51:52] S0: I don't know. I don't have a good answer for that one. What are myths about robotics right now? I think a lot of people overestimate what things can do from videos. Let's say that. I think that generally the rule of thumb when you see a video of a robot doing something is that you should always assume that it can do literally what it can see and nothing else. And I think that a lot of people tend to generalize a little bit more than that. There. That would be my
00:51:52 · Chris Paxton, Michael Cho
[00:51:52] S0: I don't know. I don't have a good answer for that one. What are myths about robotics right now? I think a lot of people overestimate what things can do from videos. Let's say that. I think that generally the rule of thumb when you see a video of a robot doing something is that you should always assume that it can do literally what it can see and nothing else. And I think that a lot of people tend to generalize a little bit more than that. There. That would be my [00:52:23] S1: Yeah, for me, I think it's even like, I wonder whether we're in a local minimum where the whole world is just trying to gather a lot of data and then throw in a lot of compute to solve and for the AI. Chris and I talk about it often, like I call it the mosquito intelligence. Like, you know, I can barely like catch, like, you know, kill a damn mosquito. The thing is so tiny, probably running at 0.1 watt, you know, must be have... Must have a very, very tiny, like whatever embodied AI model that's in this brain. But it's got excellent physical intelligence. So there's something missing there that nature has figured out that we, we, I feel that we're just maybe using, don't know how many percentage of global GDP to, to gather this data and, and compute to solve something. Yeah. I don't know. So I don't know whether it's Amoeba, but you know, I, I just thought that there's something there.
00:52:23 · Michael Cho, Jordan Wolfe
[00:52:23] S1: Yeah, for me, I think it's even like, I wonder whether we're in a local minimum where the whole world is just trying to gather a lot of data and then throw in a lot of compute to solve and for the AI. Chris and I talk about it often, like I call it the mosquito intelligence. Like, you know, I can barely like catch, like, you know, kill a damn mosquito. The thing is so tiny, probably running at 0.1 watt, you know, must be have... Must have a very, very tiny, like whatever embodied AI model that's in this brain. But it's got excellent physical intelligence. So there's something missing there that nature has figured out that we, we, I feel that we're just maybe using, don't know how many percentage of global GDP to, to gather this data and, and compute to solve something. Yeah. I don't know. So I don't know whether it's Amoeba, but you know, I, I just thought that there's something there. [00:53:19] S2: Yeah. What's, uh, what's the most overhyped narrative and you can choose even AI or robotics today, Chris. You're into stuff every day. You gotta have a guess on this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
00:53:19 · Jordan Wolfe, Chris Paxton, Michael Cho
[00:53:19] S2: Yeah. What's, uh, what's the most overhyped narrative and you can choose even AI or robotics today, Chris. You're into stuff every day. You gotta have a guess on this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. [00:53:35] S0: I don't know. I don't know. I don't tend to think. I mean, I'm just very optimistic right now. I don't know. I don't think there's a lot that's super overhyped. I still think that there are... You could argue that individual companies are overhyped or something like that, which I don't necessarily know if I want to go start something. But I think that generally... No, I think that it's hard for me to think of a direction. I think all of it's worth investigating at least. I don't know. Michael, do you have a better answer than me? Yeah, maybe the overhyped is maybe some of the timelines that's been thrown around. Yeah. But I suspect it's over hype in the near term, but under hype in the long term. [00:54:25] S1: You know, the typical. [00:54:26] S0: I think that's fair. Like, I think everything, I think all of these are equally good directions. I think that people are, things will generally take longer than you expect. Like, that's always the rule. [00:54:36] S1: Yeah. Especially robotics. Yeah. Especially in robotics. Physics is brutal, man. No mercy. Right. [00:54:43] S2: Yeah. Yeah. Chris, if you weren't building robots, what would you be doing?
00:54:43 · Jordan Wolfe, Chris Paxton, Michael Cho, Jordan Wolfe
[00:54:43] S2: Yeah. Yeah. Chris, if you weren't building robots, what would you be doing? [00:54:51] S0: I don't know. Right now. Like, well, yeah. So part of the reason that I started doing this, like, I do a lot of, like, writing my blog. I like writing about stuff. So that's, like, I have a blog in addition to all this that I keep up most weeks. Not all. Not all. Yeah. So that's part of the genesis of a lot of this, actually. How about you, Michael? [00:55:18] S1: Oh, gosh. No robotics. It would be very boring, isn't it? I don't know. I do some music on the side. I street sing sometimes. Maybe I street sing more, but I think robotics is more fun. I do robotics, I guess. [00:55:36] S2: Who else should I talk to going direct about robotics invited AI? Any name come to mind? Yeah, you should maybe talk to some of these founders from the Chinese manufacturer. [00:55:46] S1: I think they will offer a very interesting perspective. Yeah. Yeah. Most of them only speak Chinese though. So that's the problem. If you can find someone. Yeah. I think they would, yeah. They will offer a very different perspective from, yeah, what we typically read about in the West, I think. [00:56:08] S2: Chris? [00:56:11] S0: You already talked to Bernt and to Physical Intelligence, who are two of the top ones that I would have recommended, right? I think they're doing really cool stuff. Let's see. [00:56:26] S3: Wow, you're getting on the top. I know, man.
00:56:26 · Jordan Wolfe, Chris Paxton, Jordan Wolfe, Michael Cho
[00:56:26] S3: Wow, you're getting on the top. I know, man. [00:56:28] S0: I'm a huge fan of what... I know, I'm really bad at that. It's late at night for me. No, it's not that late. It's not even that late. I think... One that I've liked lately has been Dyna. Dyna Robotics startup, they do just making the robots work all the time. There's a couple others that are doing home robots, home robotics, like Weave, that I think are really cool. I think that they just have a different perspective on this, not going with the humanoid. Whether that's right or not, it's interesting to see the difference in design choices. There's a lot of like, I love the open source stuff coming out of Hugging Face, like the community they've built up. I don't know, like it's hard to come up with a single answer. I think there's a lot of cool stuff happening. [00:57:15] S2: Yeah. Michael, I might take you up on that offer. I think it would be a very interesting conversation from one of the Chinese manufacturers, like totally. [00:57:23] S1: Yeah. How can folks reach you, Chris? [00:57:33] S0: Twitter usually X, so it's less sliced, yeah. [00:57:37] S1: Yeah. Same. Same. And Michael. Yeah. Same. Same. Same. Yeah. Just follow us on global papers. I actually, that's a, yeah, there you go. That's right. Follow me. The shout out. [00:57:50] S0: We tagged in every post anyway.