00:51:08 · Sam Altman, John Collison
[00:51:08] S1: It... I mean, it offends me that we, like, use the word nanometers for something that's nothing new with nanometers. [00:51:15] S0: I know. It's very silly. Yeah. So... You're not like that. [00:51:18] S1: I I would rather not make up a fake unit. Tokens are a kind of fake unit. I mean, they're real in some sense, but they're not a good unit. [00:51:25] S0: They're fake from a business value point of view. But isn't the only... Okay. Isn't the only defense of tokens that if you're wasting tokens, we should fix that pretty soon? Like, we shouldn't be streaming... Claude Shannon would not approve of us just streaming noise rather than signal. And so there will be a... There's a floor of the information theoretic most useful tokens on both sides, and we'll come back to [00:51:49] S1: that later. Right now you have to think about whether you should want the 10¢ per million tokens out of a small model or $10 per token tokens out of a big model, and then whether... How long the chain of thought is likely to be. And that's just cognitive overhead that I don't think actually adds any value. [00:52:10] S0: Is the chain of thought included in the pricing? [00:52:12] S1: In what we charge. Most people do. [00:52:13] S0: Okay. [00:52:14] S1: By the way, the Guinness was not as bad as... Definitely not as good as an IPA, but not as bad. It's good. Yeah. I mean, an IPA is great, but it's [00:52:22] S0: it's pretty good. We like Guinness. Yeah. Yeah. At least in this podcast. Thank you.