00:58:36 · John Carreyrou, Max Read, Rob Copeland
[00:58:36] S7: First of all, I'll remind everyone. Why are we talking about her? We're talking about her because she invited these filmmakers into her home thirty four days before going to prison to try to basically retell the story, rewrite history, and have people feel sorry for her. That's why we're talking about her. She did this. She's the one who made this moment happen. And, you know, I suspect that it hasn't panned out exactly the way she hoped. Sure. Because I do think this film is is damning in its own way. It's a terrific movie. It's a terrific piece of art, but I think it really doesn't make her or Billy look good. Yeah. But, yeah, I keep coming back to the fact that she's the one who is making us talk about her. Mhmm. She's the one who's not going away. [00:59:30] S1: Yeah. Okay. Let me ask one final question. This is also from Corey O'Neil on Twitter. Corey writes, judge Davila asked whether the pathology of fraud is the inability or refusal to accept responsibility. After years of investigating Holmes, do you think someone can evade reality so persistently that a conscious refusal eventually becomes a genuine inability to recognize reality? [00:59:55] S7: Again, I don't buy the narrative that she doesn't know that she lied and that she doesn't know that she did wrong. I think she does. [01:00:04] S2: Mhmm.
01:00:04 · Rob Copeland, John Carreyrou, Max Read
[01:00:04] S2: Mhmm. [01:00:04] S7: But she's continuing, yes, to put on the act that she didn't do anything wrong and that whether or not you believe that she did or not, that she doesn't believe she did anything wrong. Yeah. I think judge Davila was incredibly wise when he made that statement during her her sentencing because this is someone who had many, many, many opportunities to take responsibility or take partial responsibility or show contrition, admit, you know, that she could have done things differently, feel sorry for the patients whose lives she impacted, employees, doctors, investors, she never once did that. [01:00:49] S2: Mhmm. [01:00:50] S7: And, so I actually wrote that quote down. I was at her sentencing hearing. And when Davila uttered those words, I wrote the quote down verbatim in my notebook, and then I used it in the epilogue I wrote, for the book. I wrote an epilogue after the sentencing hearing, the long one, chapter length, and I used that Davila quote because I thought it was... It really encapsulated, her mind and her psychology and her just refusal to take responsibility. [01:01:22] S1: Well, that's a great note to end on. John, thank you for joining us again. I have to recommend Hard Fork listeners, our audience, read Bad Blood if you've seen this movie. If you haven't seen this movie, it's a great work of, journalism, a great work of nonfiction, and thanks again for coming on. Thanks for having me.
01:01:22 · Max Read, S0, S6
[01:01:22] S1: Well, that's a great note to end on. John, thank you for joining us again. I have to recommend Hard Fork listeners, our audience, read Bad Blood if you've seen this movie. If you haven't seen this movie, it's a great work of, journalism, a great work of nonfiction, and thanks again for coming on. Thanks for having me. [01:01:45] S0: Compute scales in an instant. Storage scales in an instant. So why does the network underneath them still get ordered months ahead? Sized for a peak that may never come? With Lumen Intelligent Internet, businesses can add network capacity in minutes when demand shows up and dial it back when things quiet down. No guessing months ahead, just room to grow across more than 10,000,000 US business locations. Finally, a network that moves as fast as your ambition. Visit lumen.com/ambitionready. Lumen, the trusted network for AI. [01:02:19] S6: Ripple has been powering modern finance for a decade. It's not our first trip around the blockchain, and it won't be our last. We're leading the charge to bridge the gap between existing financial systems and the future of finance. You can have it all. Legacy stability and digital innovation. Systems that work with your other systems. Because with the right partner, the question isn't crypto or traditional finance. The question is simply, why choose? A new standard of modern finance. It's happening with Ripple. For informational purposes only, availability of products can vary and may be provided by different Ripple entities.
01:02:19 · S6, S5
[01:02:19] S6: Ripple has been powering modern finance for a decade. It's not our first trip around the blockchain, and it won't be our last. We're leading the charge to bridge the gap between existing financial systems and the future of finance. You can have it all. Legacy stability and digital innovation. Systems that work with your other systems. Because with the right partner, the question isn't crypto or traditional finance. The question is simply, why choose? A new standard of modern finance. It's happening with Ripple. For informational purposes only, availability of products can vary and may be provided by different Ripple entities. [01:02:52] S5: Stripe is built for whatever comes next. Because AI isn't just changing business, it's evolving fraud. Stripe Radar detects fraud with the vast scale of Stripe's $1,900,000,000,000 annual transaction volume. In fact, when a card is used, there's a 92% chance the Stripe network has seen it before. That means emerging fraud patterns are detected sooner, blocking bad actors, welcoming good customers. Learn more about fighting fraud with Stripe at stripe.com/radar.
01:02:52 · S5, Max Read
[01:02:52] S5: Stripe is built for whatever comes next. Because AI isn't just changing business, it's evolving fraud. Stripe Radar detects fraud with the vast scale of Stripe's $1,900,000,000,000 annual transaction volume. In fact, when a card is used, there's a 92% chance the Stripe network has seen it before. That means emerging fraud patterns are detected sooner, blocking bad actors, welcoming good customers. Learn more about fighting fraud with Stripe at stripe.com/radar. [01:03:26] S1: This episode of Hard Fork was produced by Whitney Jones and Sawyer Roquet and edited by Viran Pavich, with additional editorial support from Brendan Klinkenberg, Lisa Tobin, and Brooke Minters. We were fact checked by Will and engineered by Alyssa Moxley. Original music by Marian Lozano, Rowan Nemisto, and Dan Powell. Additional video production by Chris Schott. You can watch this full episode on YouTube at youtube.com/hardfork. Special thanks to Sam Dolnick, Jessica Testa, Lou Wang Tam, Maddie Massiello, Nick Pittman, Samantha Winter, Bernardo Garcia, Michael Cordero, Brendan Gilliam, Dave Myers, and Dalia Haddad. As always, we love to hear from our audience. If you have any questions or suggestions want to give us a piece of your mind, find us in the comments at nytimes dot com slash hardfork. You can also email us, hardforknytimes dot com.