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01:11:14 · Stephanie Palazzolo, Brittany Greenfield
[01:11:14] S0: That's a very tough thing [01:11:14] S4: right now. It's a tough thing. I think cybersecurity, CSOs have felt this, right? The beauty of cybersecurity, why I'm passionately in love with the industry, why I got into it from the broader enterprise software industry, was because you always have to be one step ahead. And so, I think CISOs have felt this pain because you often see, hey, we go buy 13 tools to try to tackle this one problem, and then they realize that those tools either aren't delivering value or they're too tough to manage. So, I would ask CISOs and CIOs to say, learn from your past lessons. This is nothing new for you. Take some time to evaluate the tools, but again, focus on that process because if you look at the process first, then the tools will naturally fall into place to be able to support it. [01:12:05] S0: And I think taking a step back, I think you're getting at this question a little bit in your answers, but it does feel like every day people are wavering back and forth between, you know, it's everything is so over. AI is this completely new technology that is, you know, creating these holes in our software that we've never seen before versus kind of like maybe what you're saying, which is like, we've seen this stuff before. Maybe this is a new technology, but we're... It's similar problems that we fix. Like how much of what is going on and what we're hearing from the model companies is hype and, and fear, you know, fear mongering versus something that we should really be concerned about. So this is where I love the word and,
01:12:44 · Brittany Greenfield, Lori Goler, Stephanie Palazzolo
[01:12:44] S4: and it's why the word and exists. Yes and no. Like, hey, is it hype? No, it isn't. Very real. We saw in Anthropic S1, right? AI is going to be one of the biggest global security risks ever. There's no doubt about that. But, that's a fixed problem, not a fine problem. We are heading that way. This just happened faster and sooner than I think anybody was was expecting it. The reason I say no is is we are pulling back. The numbers show it. And quite frankly, I actually like looking at the adoption of enterprise AI versus consumer AI. Yes, all consumers are using it, but it tends to be, you know, what's your color board? Right? Or help me come up with a recipe for dinner. You see enterprises using it at a third of the rate of consumers. So I do think we are in an optimistic moment where people are slowing down. Flip side is the adversaries are a real thing. Right? We saw, a couple weeks ago the Korean bank attacks. Right? They have always been working faster to go find and take advantage of those vulnerabilities. So I go back to the keep calm, implement a good process, and carry on, and do not get distracted by the hype piece of it. [01:13:59] S6: Mhmm. [01:13:59] S4: But it is real. [01:14:00] S0: Definitely. Well, I feel like that's the kind of calm and mentality that we need to be hearing more of.
01:14:00 · Stephanie Palazzolo, Brittany Greenfield
[01:14:00] S0: Definitely. Well, I feel like that's the kind of calm and mentality that we need to be hearing more of. [01:14:07] S4: Correct. And I wish people would just take that moment to say, I have seen this before, CISOs especially. I have seen this before, and we can do this. And this is where AI can help CISOs. This is where orchestration can help CISOs. Right? That's a scale issue. That's how you start to tackle the fixed problem that AI generates in software development. So how can I use AI to my advantage? Because it's, again, not that you necessarily need 13 tools to do it. If you just go find the one right tool to be able to scale your teams, that's where I think CSOs are gonna find the the sweet spot. [01:14:44] S0: Great. Well, thank you so much, Brittany, joining us. And that was Brittany Greenfield, founder and CEO of Wabbi here on TITV. Thanks, Stephanie. And that does it for today's show. A reminder that we are on the stream Monday through Friday at 10AM Pacific, 1PM Eastern. If you can't make it then, episodes are available on theinformation.com, our YouTube channel, or wherever you get your podcasts. Make sure to follow us on social media on x, Instagram, and TikTok. Akash is back with you tomorrow, but I had a great time hosting today. Hope everyone has a great rest of their Thursday, and bye bye for now.