00:38:28 · Jack, Will Stewart
[00:38:28] S1: Just [00:38:28] S0: Yeah. Yeah. Like you may you may might spend more time making your roadmap pretty than actually building the feature. Right? So historically, we had a very, you know, weekly change log or whatever. It was very detailed. Now we just do once a month. Mhmm. But this change log, we would get every feature very detailed in there, and then people would send us an an email saying, oh, hey, Northlake. I signed up because of how detailed your change log was. Really? I'm like, okay. Okay. That's interesting. And then if we forget or don't post a release note, users will send us messages saying Really? Hey, is Northlake okay? You you you dying? Do you need money? And we're like, no no no. Just log in, you'll see all the new stuff and blah blah blah. They're like, oh, cool. Great. Great. Yeah. I saw that new feature. I I was curious why you hadn't posted about it. That so so so so very quickly, our users will will figure out, oh, this feature hasn't seen an update in a while or what's going on here? So so all those users you have are always thinking about, what was the last thing this this website changed? Like, this button hasn't moved for a while. This this this feature is is is pretty stagnant. So, yeah, we do have a lot of customers who are very very hard on our heels. Like, you've not updated this feature in a while. What's going on?
00:39:47 · Jack, Will Stewart
[00:39:47] S1: I was I've heard this before and it's like blind spot for me because like I never really read someone's change logs unless it's like, oh, okay. I'm gonna make an update to like a package or something and I need to see if it's gonna break everything. I I've heard this before. Was like, someone else was saying, like, just ship a lot of stuff and talk about it and like that's your that is your marketing. Your change log is your marketing. [00:40:10] S0: I think I I think at the time back in 2020 or 2021, whatever it was, Linear had like the the change log and everyone was, yeah, everyone's gonna have a change log. Ultimately, a change log is just released notes, which is is very common as well. So it's been it was important for us, and then that was one way to build trust. And again, it comes back to trust. Does he does he use a trust that you're building the right road map? Are you building a road map for them? Or are you actually focused on someone else? That's that's the real time evaluation that they're making. Yeah. [00:40:46] S1: Okay. Final question, Will. AI obviously has impacted what you guys do a lot. I guess, like everyone's running compute. There's like scramble for GPUs. How how's it changed things?
00:41:01 · Will Stewart
[00:41:01] S0: So I think I think it's quite interesting because obviously it's had a big impact on the software development life cycle. So far, it hasn't really affected infrastructure and DevOps per se. Like, you wouldn't have your AI agent deploying the most critical workloads. Like, that that hasn't happened yet. And also, it's not very good at it so far. Impact for developer platforms like Northland is that historically, there were the terms of, like, ML Ops ML Ops platforms. So it's like a DevOps platform but just for ML engineers. Well, now with Northlink, you can do the same thing. You can deploy your AI workloads, inference training, you know, PyTorch jobs, notebooks, whatever you need to run, you can run that on a developer platform like Northlink. So for us, it it's again extending that polyglot vision, which is the best AI teams, they need to deploy inference, training. They also need to potentially deploy secure runtime. And what's the core pinnacle underpinning of a developer platform in the past? Secure runtime, running untrusted code at scale. Mhmm. So we've been doing this since 2019. And that means that all of these, you know, agent companies who need to do code gen or spin up temporary sandboxes can do so perfectly on Northlank. And then GPUs. Where does the GPU go? It goes on to a VM or or a bare metal machine, and generally, how is that orchestrated Kubernetes? So for North Flank, I think we had a GPU workload support to Northlink, like, two years ago or over two years ago. So slightly before the full AI boom. But, you know, we had startups signing up wanting to orchestrate their their GPUs, we're like, okay. Cool. Okay. Okay. Now these are available in public cloud, so, you know, a few years ago, a small amount of v one hundreds or whatever. But then people say, we want a one hundreds, we want l fours, t fours, all all of these new chips started coming out, And then it was it was great to see. It's like these new types of workloads, great new types of workloads, let's make them run on North Flank. So helping a lot of startups get their, you know, training jobs running and their inference. And for us, it just means more compute, more workloads, more clouds. Right? Now people are looking for near clouds. They wanna be on Callweave. They wanna be on Together AI. They want to be on Lambda Labs.
00:43:21 · Will Stewart, Jack
All of those folks so they either started out selling, you know, the the the the, you know, the research machines or the gaming machines, or they started out in crypto. They've all come in to build these massive, highly capable, highly performing developer clouds for AI. Started out bare metal, and now pretty much all of them are now trying to default to offering all of their compute through Kubernetes. So we've gone through the same cycle as the enterprise, which is the enterprise now runs all of their workloads on Kubernetes. And what's Northlink's primary objective? Fix Kubernetes. Make Kubernetes work for your developers. So Northlink's actually a really great place for you to build and deploy your AI workloads. Even though that's not our core mission or original idea, it's actually an AI workload is just a Git repo, a Docker file, and running lots and lots of containers. So instead of a CPU, you've now got a CPU and a GPU. That's that's how we've seen it. And now it's a [00:44:21] S1: huge opportunity for us. And, yeah, it's getting exciting. Amazing. Amazing. And where can people go to learn more about you and about North Flank? [00:44:32] S0: So you can go to northflank.com or co.run, and you can self serve sign up. We have a free developer tier to deploy two services, a database, and a job all for free. And please reach out if you have any questions. [00:44:45] S1: Amazing. And we can also they can also meet Will at some London DevTools meetup, boo. [00:44:51] S0: Absolutely. And and absolutely. One of the best meetups in in London.
00:44:51 · Will Stewart, Jack
[00:44:51] S0: Absolutely. And and absolutely. One of the best meetups in in London. [00:44:56] S1: Sorry. I didn't mean to plug. What? This is your this is your plug, Will. So Well, thank you, Will, and thanks everyone for listening. Hope you enjoyed it.