The Prof G Pod with Scott Galloway
00:32:50 · David Brooks, Scott Galloway
And so to me, one of the reasons we have such high levels of distrust and disconnection is we haven't taught people the practical skills of how to be considerate to each other in the concrete circumstances of life. And so these are the... At least the things I've to try to work on to... As my my piece of the of the larger challenge. [00:33:09] S0: Something that struck me in your work is that you advocate for putting moral formation at the center of society. What does that mean, and how tactically does that become operationalized?
00:33:20 · David Brooks
[00:33:20] S2: Yeah. When our founders created this country, they took around... Look around human nature and said, we're... If we're gonna build a democracy out of these people, we have to work hard on moral formation. And moral formation is a pompous word, but my favorite definition comes from the gospel of Ted Lasso. And he says his job at coach of this football team he was coaching is to make these fellas better versions of themselves on and off the field. And schools, unions, civic organizations, they used to think that moral formation was part of their job. It was to perform the character of their kids. And there was a school called The Stowe School, and the headmaster said, our job is to turn out students who are acceptable at a dance, invaluable at a shipwreck. They wanted to turn out students who were reliable when the chips were down. And sometime after the war, the whole ethos changed. And we went from a understanding of human nature is that we're we're beautiful creatures, we're also deeply flawed. We went to a version of human nature is that we're beautiful. People are good inside. There's an angel inside. All you have to do is self actualize yourself. And if you think you're perfect inside, you don't need to do more formation. And so all sorts of institutions got out of the moral formation business and into the self actualization business, including the Girl Scouts, including the schools. And then gradually, the schools became just more careerist. They're not about moral formation. They're about getting you into Harvard. They're about getting you a job. And so to me, that whole side of human nature, the whole side of human activity, which to me is the most important side, how can we become slightly better versions of ourselves? We abandoned it, and we're left with the consequences. And we left, frankly, with a country that can't like Donald Trump because they look at him, and they don't see anything wrong. And and that's that's the consequences.
00:35:11 · Scott Galloway
[00:35:11] S0: The thing I struggle with, I think that makes a lot of sense. Right? I'm think of Boy Scouts, which doesn't exist anymore. They're Scouts for America, and the Girl Scouts get their own gender, but Boy Scouts no longer exist. I think of... I used to go to church, temple. My dad was married four times, so I was exposed to a lot of different different institutions, and I recognize the importance there. Having said that, I worry that universities, like the one I teach at, offer a lot of courses in sustainability, leadership, ethics. And quite frankly, I find for the most part, they're just student debt and an opportunity to bring in what I'd call FIPS, formerly important people, to basically over and over say one thing. Do the right thing even when it's hard, such that we can charge kids more and more money. I I wonder if, again, Democrats have decided it that we have decided in higher education that we're no longer centers of excellence. We're social engineers and evangelists of a certain orthodoxy. That, again, it's the right idea, but it's gotten out of control at universities. Any thoughts?
00:36:18 · David Brooks
[00:36:18] S2: Yeah. Well, just to stick with universities, I I... In the course of American history, universities have gone through different regimes. The first regime was the piety regime. They were Christian institutions, and they were they were there to instill Christian virtues. Then in the nineteenth century, there was the humanistic ideal, which is we're gonna still create moral formation, but we're not gonna use the gospels. We're gonna use the, basically, the great conversation, the European writers from Aristotle to Shakespeare, France... To Bacon and all the way. Then in the middle of the twentieth century, the ideal shifted to the research ideal. We're a bunch of specialists here to advance knowledge. And then it shifted to the career ideal. Our our job as universities is to get kids high paying jobs. And then because those last two ideals were so morally vacuous, the social justice ideal filled the moral vacuum and said our job is to be activists and to help people who've been part of marginalized groups. And that of course is a noble activity, but it's not the right activity for the universities. In part because it turned teaching into a form of indoctrination. It turned students into a form of diplomats from their identity groups. But most... And what we're seeing now is that if you fix your university to a political party and say we're activist... We're the activist wing of the Democratic Party, well, guess what? The Republicans are gonna take it out on you, and that's what's happening. And I'm hoping the universities will realize their... A new ideal, which is to return to the humanistic ideal, which is character formation more than political activism. But then to return to a civic ideal, our universities spend and like a lot of institutions spend a lot more time helping people prosper in their private lives without thinking carefully, what's our role in our civic life? And why do we have so many universities that are blue bubbles in red neighborhoods or in red states? Because they're not interacting with the civic life as a whole. They've withdrawn to the campus walls. And so to me, universities are great institutions. They are great, great institutions that are really one of the keys to America's greatness, but they've lost their mission.
00:38:27 · David Brooks
And I'm hoping under challenge from Trump and the rest of them that they'll rediscover their mission and find out our job is really to form people and to create citizens and to be civic institutions that bind society across difference and across class difference. And that would be a noble mission and a a real recovery for American universities.
00:38:48 · Scott Galloway
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