The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
00:03:30 · Harry Stebbings, Jack Altman
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00:05:08 · Rory O'Driscoll
[00:05:08] S0: Genuine comment. Not a single piece of information in that leak. Not a single piece of useful act other than one minor comment, which I'll come back to, like, the 2,025 numbers long since spent. I mean, lots of shitty bad takes. The whole... Oh my god. They're losing 40,000,000... Billion when 34,000,000,000 of its non accounting law... An accounting loss. Rest The of it was exactly what you thought, 4,500,000,000 in revenues, eight in compute expense, five in other expense, blah. The only interesting factoid in that was that two customers did 25% of the of the revenue, which means someone spent $500,000,000 on Entropic last year, which is pretty impressive. But the only thing that counts is not even Q one and Q two of this year, because I think everyone knows Q one and Q two is Anthropic killed it. The Q three numbers, which haven't been finalized yet, are the model though, are the the only thing you need you need to care about, because, obviously, the story now is Jack and now opening eye, killing it, really exploding in growth. And you know, there's very nascent data from what I think what a ticker trends or something that and Swapi kind of flattened out. The Q3 revenue number is 90% of the data required to make a decision on pricing on Anthropic. And everything prior to that, in particular 2025, is so leaked at this point that there was no data in the Reuters saying it was fun, but no data. Go people.
00:06:25 · Jack Altman
[00:06:25] S1: This is gonna be one of one of the nice things about these companies going public is that I actually think the public market investors will be a little bit more long term oriented than the private investors. I think, like, we are all hand wringing month to month about what these companies are doing. And in a weird way, I think the public market investors will think a little bit more long term, little bit more structurally. You think about both Anthropic and OpenAI, and it's like each month, it's like the narrative is just all over the place. And it's so easy to flip like that. I think, least in my conversations with public market investors, they're going to be thinking a little bit more, at least quarters, maybe even years. And so I agree with all of that, but I think people are going to mostly be oriented towards like, what is the market structure of these things? And hopefully it'll, it will be a little bit calmer.
00:07:08 · Jason Lemkin
[00:07:08] S2: My only thought and listen, this could be completely wrong. When I read all the press, Yeah. Like to Rory's point, we learned nothing. And to Jack's point, just getting the public investors excited to hold an epic asset long. But man, it really reads negative, you know, not just the risk factor that there's existential risk to humanity. I mean, that one is a little jarring to see, but it may be like the Facebook IPO in that at least on the retail side, the negatives come to the top, you know, and we're all investors, right? So we're all playing for the upside, aren't we? You know, why is instinct worth 10,000,000,000? Well, it's the upside. The jaw dropping losses that frankly, I don't think the four of us care about. Right. And maybe a lot of long public markets don't care about. I just think the retail market, everyone that is anti AI may see these negatives as a reason to sour. And I don't know if that can really drive the stock down, but I worry that the IPO will be six. It's a minor worry, but I worry the IPO will be successful. They'll hit their number, whatever they ask for. It'll be over more than oversubscribed than Aura, you know, 10x. But then a month or two in with no real change, we may see a drift below the IPO price just because of the negativity, the massive spend, the CDSs or at Oracle, some default on data centers, and all of a sudden the negatives overwhelm the life changing positives. That was my only thought is we're gonna see a lot of stuff like this, right, after the IPO, much more than we have before.
00:08:25 · Rory O'Driscoll
[00:08:25] S0: I almost think the people who are gonna be big buyers of the stock are not an overlapping circle with the people who are dealing with all the kind of fallout from the noise and the negativity. And let me say it even more directly. Right? 70% of Americans might think data centers suck, but they're not running Fidelity growth. A small number of highly compensated managers are the buyers of their stock. Right? And retail people excited for the thing. Where I do think you're right, Jason, is it's not so much that directly the dislike of AI kind of impacts the stock directly, but the indirect comment is I do think there was a nontrivial political backlash brewing. I think it was super interesting to see the guy in Florida fired basically a suit of stop opening anotropic for middling models. There's gonna be a whole lot of, you told me in a legal document that this thing was not safe. Therefore, I'm entitled to believe you. And if it's not safe, you should stop. So I do think indirectly, you're right is that because they have to spew out all these negatives just to cover their ass, though I'm not sure who's gonna sue you if the end of the world actually happens, you're probably pretty good on litigation side. But because they have to skew out all this negativity, people are gonna be reading that and saying, this is the first S1 I've ever seen that poses existential risk and where the product lies to me. Maybe I should, as the attorney general for the great state of fill in the blank, sue these guys and say, And I think we're starting to see that. So it will be way more of a public participatory moment. Everyone's gonna have a goddamn opinion on this, perhaps in a way that everyone doesn't have an opinion on. You know, when a semiconductor stock goes public, 95% of the people can barely describe what it does. Everyone's gonna have an opinion here.
00:09:59 · Harry Stebbings
[00:09:59] S3: Speaking of topics that everyone has an opinion of, I think everyone seems to have an opinion on instinct right now and instinct versus muse and the future of agents and personal AI assistants. Instinct closes a billion dollar series c at 10,000,000,000. Noah Shin, 23 year old founder, amazing generational talent, raises 1,000,000,000 at 10,000,000,000, takes on Muse and Alex Wang and Zuck. What do we think? Jack, I think you've got a chat from Benchmark.