Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth
01:06:12 · Lenny Rachitsky, Evan Spiegel
[01:06:12] S0: Okay. What are two or three books that you find yourself recommending most to other people? [01:06:18] S1: Well, you know what I just finished was The First 50 Years of Apple by David Pogue. I thought it was great. I would recommend the first half because he interviews like 150 early Apple team members and the stories are just great and there's a lot of learnings in there. So I really enjoyed that. I think ... What else have I read recently? There's a great book maybe relevant for this particular moment called The End of the World is just the Beginning, which actually touches a lot on the vulnerability of global shipping. The global economy is built on global shipping, and it sort of predicts a world where the US was going to have a much harder time securing the global waterways. And what does that mean for the way that we build things and organize ourselves as a society? [01:07:06] S0: That sounds quite familiar these days. [01:07:07] S1: Quite relevant for the given moment we're at. [01:07:11] S0: Awesome. Is there a recent movie or TV show you have really enjoyed? [01:07:15] S1: I mean, I feel like this is so typical, but I loved Marty Supreme. I thought that movie was off the charts and I was like ... I don't know. I'm not used to watching stuff that extreme. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. It's like a full throttle movie experience. Highly recommend. [01:07:33] S0: I've not seen it yet. I keep hearing amazing things. [01:07:35] S1: It's very intense. Yeah. [01:07:38] S0: Okay. [01:07:38] S1: Ready for that.
01:07:38 · Evan Spiegel, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:07:38] S1: Ready for that. [01:07:39] S0: Next question. Is there a product you recently discovered that you really love? Could be an app, could be clothing, gadget, anything. [01:07:47] S1: Well, I think through our kids right now, I'm just rediscovering Pokemon, which is so fun. It's so great. And I think there's so much art to it and personality and character and what an amazing brand and franchise. And I think my general view is there's just so, so much they could do to grow that IP and franchise, at least if our kids are any indication. [01:08:14] S0: First mention of Pokemon in the lightning ground. Next question. Do you have a favorite life motto that you often come back to in work or in life? [01:08:23] S1: You have two ears and one mouth. Use them in that proportion. [01:08:27] S0: Nice. Final question. You guys have created many lenses over the years. I'm curious if you have just a favorite lens, like all time favorite and then all time least favorite, the worst. [01:08:40] S1: I mean, all time favorite is probably the vomiting rainbow. I think that just brought so much joy to so many people, which is great. Least favorite, probably the old lens, I don't know, or face swap. [01:08:54] S0: Oh, right. [01:08:55] S1: Those are intense. Yeah. [01:08:57] S0: Wow. Flashback. And you guys were the first to do that, right?
01:08:57 · Lenny Rachitsky, Evan Spiegel
[01:08:57] S0: Wow. Flashback. And you guys were the first to do that, right? [01:08:59] S1: Yeah. I mean, and that was all early days, real-time machine learning transformation on the device. So that was pretty cutting edge at the time. I mean, I don't think people realize that Bobby created our gen AI lab 10 years ago, a decade ago, or something like that. [01:09:13] S0: What a time, the face swapping era. [01:09:17] S1: The early use of generative AI in action. [01:09:20] S0: Wow. I forgot that was another innovation. And then there's businesses and apps that built that as a whole business and then all went away as far as I can tell. Wow. That was a good time. All right. Well, Evan, is there anything else you wanted to share? Anything else you want to leave listeners with before I let you go? [01:09:38] S1: I think it's such an exciting time. Obviously, I think there's a lot of concern about the way that artificial intelligence is going to change our society, but I think there's so much to be optimistic about in terms of the way that computing can become more human, and that's really what we're focused on. So really excited to share more about all the stuff we've been working on, later this year. [01:09:56] S0: Evan, thank you so much for being here. [01:09:58] S1: My pleasure. Thanks, Lenny.
01:09:58 · Evan Spiegel, Lenny Rachitsky
[01:09:58] S1: My pleasure. Thanks, Lenny. [01:10:00] S0: Bye, everyone. Thank you so much for listening. If you found this valuable, you can subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Also, please consider giving us a rating or leaving a review, as that really helps other listeners find the podcast. You can find all past episodes or learn more about the show at lennyspodcast.com. See you in the next episode.