Latent Space: The AI Engineer Podcast
01:08:04 · S1, Shawn Wang
[01:08:04] S1: Yeah. Saw the demo. Bye. [01:08:05] S0: That should be the way of AI. Right? There's a corollary of that, which is continual learning AI, where you don't have pre trained, post trained done. Mhmm. You are learn learn learn learn learn learn as I work with you. And that's just very... That's a very interesting and important field. And then the last part is world models. Mhmm. Which are obviously doing very well, and I don't have to explain that. But, yeah, what I'm worried about, I think, personally, if we have an AI winter... It isn't AI summer. This is probably the longest AI summer we've ever had in human history, but the history of AI has been... Is about fifty years old. There's always summers. Everything's gonna work. Winter, summer, winter. If we ever have a winter, when is it gonna happen? And am I gonna go bankrupt? Which is a real concern for [01:08:52] S1: a
01:08:52 · S1, Shawn Wang
[01:08:52] S1: a [01:08:52] S0: conference company that relies on hype. More more broadly, I think that there is a real concern about safety that all my friends at all the labs are really, really very worried about, and that society cannot handle and adjust quickly enough. And it is not because of fake news. It is not because of losing your jobs. It is something worse. You know, right now, the the way that we express it is cybersecurity. Mhmm. It's like, oh, I get hacked all the time. Every every day, I just hack hack hack hack hack. I feel like there's something even worse on the horizon that we don't know about. The most extreme version of this is bioweapons. Right? Like, oops, like I have invented COVID too. Mhmm. Yeah. What if it's worse than that? Mhmm. So so the way that we phrase it in... On the podcast that we do is that the default assumption for most people should be AI doom. That in all of human history, when a more advanced civilization comes along and meets a less advanced civilization, the less advanced civilization goes extinct. And this thing is evolving roughly 1,000 times faster than us. And so at some point it's gonna be more advanced, and then we have to figure out what to do there. [01:10:01] S1: Mhmm. No. Cool. Yeah. And and the second question will be... Well, just a bit light one is that what kind of other newsletters and podcasts or the contents that you recommend? [01:10:11] S0: I have a list. It's called the Good AI Newsletters and Podcast List. [01:10:15] S1: Okay. Is it on the It's really... It's on the call. Okay.
01:10:15 · S1, Shawn Wang
[01:10:15] S1: Okay. Is it on the It's really... It's on the call. Okay. [01:10:17] S0: It's it's on my GitHub. But actually, the... For the more recent one, you can check a eo.latent.space. So basically, what I did was I asked every model, what are the best AI podcasts for engineers? And it gives me a list, I transcribe it and I put it in the ranking. [01:10:32] S1: Okay. [01:10:32] S0: I asked 200 of these questions. What is the best payment startup? What is the best bank? What is the best financial adviser? What is the best database? What is... Everything. Every every every question. That's why [01:10:42] S1: you call it AIEO? Yes. [01:10:44] S0: Because I'm agent optimizing for what the model's answering. But it's probably a pretty decent proxy for what the people who choose the datasets in labs choose, and they choose Latent Space. [01:10:55] S1: Okay. The the top, [01:10:56] S0: the first one. It does very well. It's either number one or number... Between number one and number three, and and... Yeah. So that's that's the answer. [01:11:03] S1: Cool. Cool. Cool. I guess I'll just leave the last question for you to ask me if you have any questions. [01:11:08] S0: Then we are here. What are your hosts for AIEi Shanghai?
01:11:08 · Shawn Wang, S1
[01:11:08] S0: Then we are here. What are your hosts for AIEi Shanghai? [01:11:11] S1: Yeah, of course. I hope to listen to more topics about, like you said, some more infrastructure stuff, for example, like the safety, the payments, the things that come in to unlock more applications in the world that are coming from different, like infrastructure, Asian infrastructure. I'm just really curious about those topic because it's kind of a bit less discussed about in China, but I found out that, especially spending few weeks here, find more people talking about, and also probably RSI or those are frontline researchers. And I hope that it could be a great conversations between the East and the and the Western, like, the researchers here and then the the the people in China as well. And I hope it can be a successful one, and then we can carry on for continue to host it on next year. [01:12:00] S0: I hope so too. Yeah. You know, I I wish I wish the the team a lot of luck. Doing the first one of anything, the first one is the hardest. Right. Agree. Yeah. I'm I'm so impressed that they're doing it. [01:12:12] S1: Thank you so much, Yeah. [01:12:14] S0: Thank you. [01:12:14] S1: Thank you.