All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
00:06:40 · Jason Calacanis
[00:06:40] S1: Yeah. And what that does is you get over the issue we have with Apple products, which is, like, you're taking on as Whoop the responsibility for telling me when to upgrade and why I should upgrade, but it's not like some high pressure thing like your iPhone cycle where they're constantly, you know, pressuring you to upgrade so they can make the money on the hardware. Now let's talk about the innovation inside the software. And, you know, I've used everything, Fitbit, which is, I guess, Google Health now, Apple Watch. I've had all of it, Aura, over many, many years. And I settled on Whoop. Why did I settle on Whoop? Well, I thought your software actually, which was hard for me to get my head around at first because you have this recovery score, you have the sleep score, you have stress. But... And then there's this journal feature. It was a little complex for me compared to the other products, but ultimately, what I found was it gave me more value once I committed to the product. So what is committing to the product mean? I think if you put in and you fill out the journal every day or just, you know, a couple times a week, you get much more out of it. So let me have you explain what the most important metrics are here. Heart rate variability, the recovery score, high stress sleep, etcetera. And then and and then work me into, like, some of the the the features around journaling and why that's important.
00:08:11 · Will Ahmed, Jason Calacanis
[00:08:11] S0: Yeah. The three main pillars on Whoop are around sleep, recovery, and strain. And so most people start their day by looking at how well they slept last night, and that'll be everything from our sleep score to their sleep consistency. Do they go to bed and wake up at the same time? Your hours of sleep. So how many of those hours were quality sleep versus the time that you just spent in bed trying to sleep? How much was restorative? Slow wave sleep, REM sleep, you know, a pretty deep understanding of your body's overall circadian rhythm and how well you're sleeping. And then ultimately, your recovery score, which is red, yellow, green, zero to a 100%. By the way, I'm I'm pretty pumped about mine today. I want you to know I'm ready for you. [00:08:55] S1: Oh, man. 93%. Hold on a sec. [00:08:58] S0: I I just had to show you that. [00:09:00] S1: 93% is pretty good. [00:09:01] S0: That's pretty strong for [00:09:03] S1: me. That's very strong. For me, not so good. I'm on a 67. [00:09:08] S0: Okay. But you got a green dial. [00:09:10] S1: Those I got green dial. And my sleep is 83%. [00:09:13] S0: Yeah.
00:09:13 · Will Ahmed, Jason Calacanis
[00:09:13] S0: Yeah. [00:09:13] S1: And my train today is incredibly low because all I've done is sit and do no work. But, you know, this is, like, super critical for me to have these numbers now. I travel. I go to Japan. I go to Saudi. I go to Davos, you know, World Economic Forum. I... I'm all over the globe, and I'm trying to regulate my sleep. I'm trying to figure out should I be on this sleep schedule or, you know, the other one, and I'm just trying to make sure I'm fresh for when I'm doing performative stuff, you know, like on on podcasts or speaking gigs, and it's essential for me now. It's just essential for me. Yeah. I can't live without it. The thing that was interesting that happened for me is you also have under those three most important metrics there The health monitor? Yeah. Have the health monitor. Now this is critical for me because twice now in the past... Yeah. I think it's two or three times now, I have had under health monitor, which has your respiratory rate, your resting heart rate, skin temperature, blood oxygen, and HRV, heart rate variability. Right now, I'm all in green. However, the other week, I'm gonna tell you this story, involves me going to the emergency room with chest pains. This is serious. Some people in the house, the kids, whatever, had a respiratory infection. I didn't get it, but I wake up one day, and my respiratory rate is two breaths higher than normal. Instead of 16, it was, like, 18 or 15, it was 17. And then my skin temperature was, like, two degrees hotter. Right? And just And
00:10:47 · Will Ahmed
[00:10:47] S0: for people listening, when your respiratory rate is elevated by two breaths like that, that's actually pretty meaningful because respiratory rate is normally a very boring statistic. It normally doesn't change at all.
00:10:58 · Jason Calacanis
[00:10:58] S1: So it's like, hey. What's going on? Then it does it a second day in a row. So then I, you know, like, do the warm bath. I I got me sure I got my electrolytes. I'm I'm thinking maybe I'm coming down with something. Anyway, I recover on Saturday, Sunday. Sunday night, I can't sleep. I start getting chest pains. I put the Tesla at 1AM and self driving, and I go to the emergency room because I used to work on an ambulance. I know, hey. You know, when you have chest pains and you're a 55 year old male, this could be serious or it could be indigestion. I go. I do every possible test. I go right to the heart center in Austin here, and they do the CT scan. I think that's the the big scan of your heart. EKGs, everything. I'm there from 1AM until 7AM. Turns out I had inflammation in my lungs, around my chest, and my heart was being constricted. So I was experiencing chest pain. I was not having a heart attack. But there was something going on, and I was alerted to it too for two days in a row without having any other symptoms. Very strange. Right? And it was the Whoop those two days early, that Thursday, Friday, that on Sunday, I was on high alert. I was like, something's going wrong with my system. It had done that. And the reason is three years ago, the same thing happened. My skin temperature is going crazy. And then in that case, I think it was my HRV. I'm like, what's going on? I got COVID. Yep. So I have two two bad scores. I'm in New York with one of my daughters, and I was able to take that Paxlovid, which you can only take if you get to it early. So I'm like, f this. Two days of, like, heat, I go... My wife goes, maybe you got COVID. I'm like, wow. That's so retro. I go right to Duane Reade. I take the test. I got it. I get Paxlovid all in the same day because the Whoop told me. So you anticipated two acute situations for me. What other acute things are are you starting to learn here now that you have 4,000,000 people in the system? I understand now you're becoming a contributor to the preemptive delivery of medical services and or, you know, you're you're starting to understand things before, let's say, the the the rest of the medical community is is learning them.
00:13:09 · Will Ahmed, Jason Calacanis
[00:13:09] S0: Oh, thanks for sharing that. I mean, that's an amazing story and I'm grateful you're feeling alright and and grateful that Whoop could could play a small role helping. I think it's it's amazing. We now get these testimonials every every day, every week from from members who haven't experienced like the one you described. I got a message last week from, you know, a fit healthy baseball player who all of a sudden saw he had these elevated heart rates while he was sleeping that looked very abnormal. Know, someone with a resting heart rate of 50 beats per minute getting a heart rate of a 120, a 130 while he's sleeping. And and he goes in to see the doctor, and they do some tests and sure enough stage four Hodgkin lymphoma. Wow. And and he was able to get treated for it and he's recovered from it. And and then, you know, another similar story where a member with their HRV, they'd been on Whoop actually for I think close to a decade. So they had this incredible baseline and an HRV for for people who are less [00:14:18] S1: familiar Yeah. Unpack that because you're the one who introduced me to this whole concept and I I have since gone down the rabbit hole.