All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
00:43:06 · Jason Calacanis, Will Ahmed
[00:43:06] S1: Apple... Yeah. Let's just call it what it is. You may not wanna say it, but I can. They're they're... They make their money advertising, and Apple Apple is pretty good steward of data. I'll give them that. But, you know, they make it on really expensive hardware, so you are unique in both cases in terms of business model. You're in our corner, which I love. Yeah. Because Apple's gonna make a competitor. They know their watch kinda sucks, and their software sucks. Like, Apple Health is terrible. [00:43:32] S0: The Apple Watch is the most successful smartwatch in the world. And so I think in terms of the category that they built to own, I think they I think they've been successful. I think it's an important product for them. It's a it's a product that does a lot of things. And so if you want text messages and emails and to be able [00:43:52] S1: to talk make... About what... You worry to keep you up at night that they're gonna make a Whoop competitor? [00:43:57] S0: Well, I have enormous respect for Apple. I think they're one of the the best in the world at hardware and software. I think a lot of companies have entered our space and had challenges with with the screenless wearable or other wearable products. You know, it's interesting. Ten years ago, there were more competitive products in the market than there are today. [00:44:15] S1: That's true, actually. Yeah. You had a lot of people trying this. [00:44:18] S0: People forget the whole Jawbone kind of Fitbit era. There was a whole [00:44:23] S1: Oh my god.
00:44:23 · Jason Calacanis, Will Ahmed
[00:44:23] S1: Oh my god. [00:44:23] S0: Class of Nike and Adidas and Under Armour. [00:44:26] S1: What... I mean, how dumb was it for Nike to stop pursuing that? My god. That was such an obvious smart thing for them to do. Had a good start, and then they gave the business to Fitbit, I believe. And then they just got out of it. Alright. Listen. It's time for lightning round. [00:44:39] S0: Oh. It's lightning round. [00:44:41] S1: Lightning round with Will. Yeah. You gotta be honest here. Here we go. Brian Johnson or Andrew Huberman? Pick one. [00:44:47] S0: For podcasting, Huberman. [00:44:49] S1: Who's making a bigger contribution to the the science and technology? [00:44:53] S0: I think Huberman has a a wider audience. I think Brian has pushed people's imagination of what they should be measuring. And I think both of those are really helpful. [00:45:04] S1: Cold plunge, cold shower. Cold plunge, cold shower. Make a difference? [00:45:08] S0: I'll say cold shower because it's very accessible. Okay. And it's something that people can do every day. And you do it for even thirty seconds, sixty seconds, you're just gonna feel a lot better. [00:45:18] S1: Yeah. Wakes you up. Red light therapy or just the classic hot sauna? [00:45:22] S0: I like the hot sauna. Old school.
00:45:22 · Will Ahmed, Jason Calacanis
[00:45:22] S0: I like the hot sauna. Old school. [00:45:24] S1: It gets hotter. I think the red light thing is It's hotter. Nonsense. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Zone two cardio. This is for our age. I think you're 40 now, Will. Are you 40 yet? 37. 37. Alright. So I'm gonna round you up to 40. I'm... I'll round myself down to 50. Zone two cardio or lifting? What what do you think? You gotta pick one for my age and for your age. [00:45:48] S0: I think this depends a lot on what someone's goals are. But in general, I think that everyone should be lifting more weights and probably doing... You know, if they have an hour to exercise, they should spend more time lifting and less time on an elliptical. [00:46:03] S1: Love [00:46:03] S0: it. Because people... Yeah. Because your your muscle mass is such an important test for longevity. [00:46:09] S1: The alarm in Whoop is quite sophisticated, Will. You can wake up based on recovery, sleep score, so the recovery score, the sleep score, or with a with a hard, you know, 6AM. Should you go recovery, sleep score, or with a hard alarm so you get your sleep consistency? Which one? Pick one of the three. [00:46:31] S0: If you're on vacation, you can go with recovery or sleep. But if you're trying to run a tech company, you better pick an exact time. [00:46:38] S1: Okay. Alright. Coffee first thing in the morning, wait ninety minutes. Which one? Wait ninety minutes for your coffee, or just drink the damn coffee and live your life? [00:46:48] S0: I personally drink the coffee.
00:46:48 · Will Ahmed, Jason Calacanis
[00:46:48] S0: I personally drink the coffee. [00:46:50] S1: Yeah. Let's go. Alright. Strain score, sleep score, recovery score. Which one do you obsess over most? Of the of the big three, which one do you obsess over? You can't say you're you're... They're all your children. You love them all equally. [00:47:06] S0: Recovery. I mean, I wake up every morning waiting to see that that color of that dial. [00:47:12] S1: I love it. Alright. Listen. There's your hour with Will from Whoop. Great product. I give it my highest endorsement, Eight Sleep. I'm an investor in. I love that product too. Those are my two favorite health products. And, hey, at the time of this recording, you have a little announcement about the king. No. Not president Trump. Gotcha. Not king Trump. But LeBron James, now playing for the Philadelphia seventy sixers. Big announcement. Yeah?
00:47:12 · Jason Calacanis, Will Ahmed
[00:47:12] S1: I love it. Alright. Listen. There's your hour with Will from Whoop. Great product. I give it my highest endorsement, Eight Sleep. I'm an investor in. I love that product too. Those are my two favorite health products. And, hey, at the time of this recording, you have a little announcement about the king. No. Not president Trump. Gotcha. Not king Trump. But LeBron James, now playing for the Philadelphia seventy sixers. Big announcement. Yeah? [00:47:42] S0: Well, we're we're announcing today LeBron James is now a global ambassador for Whoop. So he's been on Whoop interestingly for eleven years, And we never had any formal relationship with him. We loved that he wore the product. Frankly, it was it was really important in the early days that he did wear the product because he was one of the first 100 people to ever wear it. And so it was incredibly validating that this incredible athlete was willing to try a technology from an unknown company called Whoop. And and it gave us a lot of hope that we're onto something. But it's been an extraordinary to see his career over two decades plus, and he's the... He's really the the pinnacle of performance and and, like, longevity. And and so he joins a roster of ambassadors like Cristiano Ronaldo and Patrick Mahomes and Lewis Hamilton and Aryna Sabalenka and Nelly Korda, so on. So it's a great group.
00:48:40 · Jason Calacanis
[00:48:40] S1: Now you had a philosophy though early on. We talked about this in our previous discussions that, like, hey. You're not gonna pay athletes to wear it, you know, and you're not gonna beg them to wear it because they're the customers. They're they're the ICP, the ideal customer profile. So is this like a maybe a change in thinking, or is this like a unique one of one case? Hey. He's been on the product for eleven years without a formal relationship, and, you know, he's in that era now. He's gonna, you know, retire in a couple of years. Hey, man. He's probably gonna go into this Kobe Shack post playing era where where he gets in deep into business. So what what... What's the thinking here? And how do you think about athletes writ large?