00:10:28 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang
[00:10:28] S0: travel. And you see them, like, every weekend or something? [00:10:30] S1: Yeah. You know, I'd stay... We grew up as parent... Grandparents till I was maybe 10, then I then went to boarding school. Oh, boarding school? Yeah. So I only see my parents, like, once a week. How was boarding school? It was fun. There's a lot of, you know, interesting stuff happening and a lot of fights. [00:10:50] S0: Oh, really? [00:10:51] S1: Yeah. I was... Because it's not a... It's Northern China. It's it's not a very civilized sort of time, you know, like in the nineties. [00:10:58] S0: What do you mean by that? [00:11:01] S1: Because, you know, you you just get beaten up by other kids a lot. [00:11:04] S0: Oh, really? So you get beat up a lot? Yeah. Oh, wow. Do you think that, like, builds character or, like, no? [00:11:11] S1: Yeah. Definitely. You know, if you get kinda bullied a bit, you definitely feel that you want to sort of rebel. [00:11:18] S0: And do you think, like, it, like, created motivation or something like that? Or [00:11:22] S1: I'm not sure. You know, obviously, that you you... You're always kind of not the strongest guy in the class or the school. Yeah. It's less of a fight in your own class. It's all like... Almost like all sort of senior guys try to beating up the the junior folks. Mhmm. You know, you play basketball and then just all of a sudden, a bunch
00:11:22 · Jack Zhang, Henrique Dubugras
[00:11:22] S1: I'm not sure. You know, obviously, that you you... You're always kind of not the strongest guy in the class or the school. Yeah. It's less of a fight in your own class. It's all like... Almost like all sort of senior guys try to beating up the the junior folks. Mhmm. You know, you play basketball and then just all of a sudden, a bunch [00:11:40] S0: of people come and wanna kick you out of this... The court. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then... So... Okay. So you got to Australia. You're living with this host family, and you speak very little English. Very little. How did you [00:11:49] S1: learn English? I started learning English maybe I was 10, but there was no one really speak English. This is more of a task, just learn the writing and reading. It's more just vocabulary, try to memorize it, and yeah, I couldn't really speak a full sentence of English when I arrived Australia. [00:12:10] S0: Oh, wow. So then you just learned on the go? Like, right? [00:12:14] S1: Just Yeah. Pretty much. [00:12:16] S0: Did you try, like, any English school or course or, like, you know, ESL or anything? No. Just hang hang around and, like, see if you got it from that Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. And then when did you think your English got, like, good? [00:12:30] S1: I don't think my English is very good even now. I got better after I started working. So throughout college, my English... [00:12:38] S0: So years, years later? Yeah. Oh, wow.
00:12:38 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang
[00:12:38] S0: So years, years later? Yeah. Oh, wow. [00:12:41] S1: You know, when I started to use a lot at work, and I... Because even in college, I mainly sort of hang out with people from Asia, and hang out with international students. So I speak English, but it's not not a lot. What were [00:12:57] S0: the main kind of, like, cultural differences you found from China to Australia when you moved? Like, you got there in high school, and you're like, oh, wow. This is different. [00:13:04] S1: I think China is a very academic oriented sort of society. Like, if you have kids, if you study good, you get a lot of respect. But I don't think that's the case in Australia. I think people fail the kids that are more likable, you know, like the cool kids in a school that get a lot of friends and a lot of people want hang out with them, not necessarily you academically the best student. [00:13:26] S0: So in China, is it like the most popular kid is the smartest one? [00:13:32] S1: Yeah. Well, definitely the most sort of respected one. So just just being academically strong, you naturally have people gravitated towards you. [00:13:40] S0: It's so interesting. Like, it's hard for me to imagine that because in Brazil, it's similar to what you're saying in Australia where, like, being academically strong is almost like a reason to get bullied. You know? [00:13:50] S1: That's definitely not the case in China. [00:13:53] S0: Yeah. That's so interesting. But is it kinda more the case in Australia?
00:13:53 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang
[00:13:53] S0: Yeah. That's so interesting. But is it kinda more the case in Australia? [00:13:56] S1: Oh, you don't get discriminated or anything. It's just that it doesn't... You don't get... Academic result doesn't get rated very high in in high school. [00:14:04] S0: And did you feel that you got discriminated by being Asian in Australia? [00:14:08] S1: A little bit, especially in high school. [00:14:10] S0: Yeah? Yeah. How did that manifest? Like, people just didn't talk to you or, like, what is it? [00:14:14] S1: No. Like, you you get, like, you know, crazy things like you have a girl just just come to you and then kiss you, I think, because she she lost a bat. [00:14:22] S0: Oh, wow. Is that right? So that happened to you? Yeah. Tell us that story. [00:14:27] S1: No. It's just all that, you know, it happened to me a couple times and all of sudden... [00:14:30] S0: A couple times? Yeah. You got like free kisses for bats [00:14:33] S1: a couple times? [00:14:34] S0: Yeah. I mean, they're like, what the hell is going on? That's funny. So you're just like hanging through the hallway and then a girl's like, can I kiss you? And you're [00:14:42] S1: like, you're No. They don't even come to ask you. They just come to kiss you. [00:14:45] S0: Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Doesn't sound that bad. [00:14:49] S1: Yeah. Some... I mean, the the first time would definitely be shocking. It'd be like, what did I do? [00:14:55] S0: That's funny. Were you good with girls in high school? [00:14:58] S1: Not really.
00:14:58 · Jack Zhang, Henrique Dubugras
[00:14:58] S1: Not really. [00:14:58] S0: No? No. But do you have a girlfriend or a date or no? You're kind of single most of time? [00:15:04] S1: Yeah. Have a I have a I have a girlfriend or a date when I was in high school. I was like 13 or 14 ish and... [00:15:10] S0: In China?
00:15:10 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang
[00:15:10] S0: In China? [00:15:10] S1: In China. And I was reasonably popular, so I started like my first so called like company or business when I was 13, so called Urban Exploration. It's like a student magazine. So initially, we... You know, I was in a student club in my high school and tried to raise money for student activities. And we would go to the restaurants and the bars around the school and, you know, the internet bars and stuff like that. So they want to raise money, they say, Hey, why don't you just send these flyers around for students? And nobody wants to take, you know, flyers, you know, we don't want to be sitting there all day long just sending out flyers to get money. So we said, Oh, why don't we just do something interesting? Then we built this booklet that we write like comic stories, write student love stories, write how do you play computer games better. Then this booklet that we printed out of the school for free that eventually would become like a magazine that would distribute it to all the high schools in my city. And then we signed up like over 8,000 merchants on that magazine. So that went quite Eight well, thousand and that would merchants? Yeah. How? I just go... Like, we just got a lot of people who wanna read it and then... You know, because our school is kind of pretty good, and then, yeah, a lot of people like it. [00:16:31] S0: And, like, how did you... How did even the idea of starting a business come at, like, 13 for you? Like, did