01:27:36 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang
[01:27:36] S0: If you tried the opposite, it wouldn't work either. [01:27:38] S1: Yeah. So what you try to really try to do is try to hire local people and empower them to build local culture and then figure out an effective framework to communicating between the engineers and the team in China with the rest of the world. I think as the geopolitical situation getting worse, I think a lot of the people are thinking about this completely decouple China and The US or the rest of the world. I don't think that's kind of the right way of building business. I think there's still a lot of great engineers in China that people in The US can leverage. There's still great entrepreneurs in China that they... There's a lot of global opportunities they can pursue. [01:28:20] S0: Makes sense. And, you know, you talked about the hard work and the balance, but just so people know what you mean, right, like, what you think were you at, you know, kind of in the Chinese way of hard work? Where do you think a lot of US people are and kind of what's the middle look like in terms of, like, I don't know, work hours or lifestyle? Like, what... How do you materialize kind of that transition? [01:28:41] S1: You know, I used to, like, you know, work till, like, three, four in the morning or five in the morning and get up at, like, eight and nine and just start work again. And I did that for seven, eight years. [01:28:51] S0: Oh, wow.
01:28:51 · Henrique Dubugras, Jack Zhang, S2
[01:28:51] S0: Oh, wow. [01:28:52] S1: No weekends at all. You Probably you put in like one hundred and ten, one hundred twenty hours a week. I don't think that's sustainable. And obviously, I had the anxiety issue I told you about last year. And maybe it's just because you cannot just run that intensity forever. Your body just cannot cope for it because I also don't exercise. I think to build like a business for a decade and beyond, I think you need to put a bit more time on your personal relationship, your house, and exercise and just building a more balance. I don't think like one hundred and ten, one hundred and twenty hours makes sense. Probably like, I don't know, seventy, eighty hours is still kind of... [01:29:33] S0: Can do a [01:29:34] S1: Yeah, do a much longer time. [01:29:36] S0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll we'll wrap it up here. But it it was really awesome hearing your story and learning more about it. I knew some of it already, but it was... A lot of details I didn't, so it was it was great to spend some time together. And sure everyone's gonna enjoy the episode. [01:29:52] S1: Thanks, Enrique. [01:29:54] S2: Thanks to our friends at Atomic Growth for helping with production and distribution.