· David Senra, Peter Rahal
[00:00:00] S0: I want to go back to this. I think one of the most fascinating things about you is this divine discontent. You wake up with this fierce competitive drive, but also, I'm not going to call it unhappiness because I don't think that's the right word, but this discontent- [00:00:00] S1: Yeah [00:00:00] S0: ... of where you are and this constant desire to improve things every day. When Travis from Uber came on, he had a warning because... How old are you? [00:00:00] S1: Forty. [00:00:00] S0: Okay, so he's about 10 years older, right? And he's like, "What you have to worry about is that you get so..." He's like, "The act of entrepreneuring is just dealing with problems constantly." And he said something like, "When a warrior fights too long, he might be too zen." So he's kind of like zen on the outside, but he's so used to adversity and it doesn't bother him anymore, right? And he's worried that- [00:00:00] S1: Yeah, he's numb. [00:00:00] S0: Exactly. Numb is a great way to put it. And the point that he's making is you want to wake up being bothered and not being used to adversity. [00:00:00] S1: Yeah. [00:00:00] S0: Doesn't prevent you from acting, but you want to essentially react to it. This is your reactionary leadership, what you just said there made me think of this. So, how do you think about what's actually going on inside of you? [00:00:00] S1: Emotionally? [00:00:00] S0: Yeah.
· David Senra, Peter Rahal
[00:00:00] S0: Yeah. [00:00:00] S1: I do have a sensitivity and get angry, but I harness it in the work, which is good. It's not a fair analogy, but I love the fight, so I seek it. But I don't think I'm good at tapping into my emotions on the spot. I think that building the pain tolerance is very good, though, to being able to handle it over long periods of time. Because if you are too sensitive and you react to it and it affects you in your sleep, then you will break. So I do think it's important to be able to have that zen, be able to get punched in the stomach and you're just chill with it. But yeah, you definitely can't lose the emotional response. Things don't bother me like they used to. I'm getting better at it, but I still have that response if things aren't right. But I imagine with Uber, he just got really, really thick-skinned about it to the point where everything was... I don't know. I don't know his experience, but I could see how that happened. [00:00:00] S0: So what keeps you in it is you like to fight. [00:00:00] S1: Yeah. I love conflict. Healthy conflict, but... [00:00:00] S0: Thanks for taking the time. This was awesome, man. [00:00:00] S1: Thank you.
· Peter Rahal, David Senra
[00:00:00] S1: Thank you. [00:00:00] S0: Appreciate it. I hope you enjoyed this episode. Please remember to subscribe wherever you're listening and leave a review, and make sure you listen to my other podcast, "Founders." For almost a decade, I've obsessively read over 400 biographies of history's greatest entrepreneurs, searching for ideas that you can use in your work. Most of the guests you hear on this show first found me through "Founders."