No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups
00:11:33 · Elad Gil
[00:11:33] S1: Makes sense. So, I mean, back to booking. One of the categories that you all obviously are really crucial to is travel. And there's a number of the next gen sort of AI companies who've started experimenting with things like OpenAI, had, checkout and ChatGPT, and, you know, one of the main use cases was travel, and then they canceled that feature. And I think at the time, booking went up 8% on the news. What what do you think didn't work there? What what do you think how do you think people should think about travel through the lens of AI?
00:12:08 · Glenn Fogel
[00:12:08] S0: So I think we should back up a little bit so everybody understands what's going on here. So in any type of situation, you'll have people who are not that knowledgeable about the industry or about how, things actually happen in the business. And so from the outside, it looked rather easy to, oh, this will be easy. AI will take care of travel, and all the travel companies won't be worthwhile, won't be worth anything. And so and that was why companies like ourselves took a big hit as some of the new models were dropped that had a much better way of doing agent in commerce as it was perceived at the time. And then when the when people make analysis, oh, we're not gonna do that, like when OpenAI said, we're not planning to be a merchant of record trying to or we're not even gonna keep in this app type of way of doing commerce. We're not doing it. Then people say, oh, well, I was wrong. I'm not gonna worry about it as much. It flips the other side. The truth is the way we look at AI is an incredible, beneficial tool and a way for us to be able to do our mission easier, hopefully cheaper, and better for our customers. All business. What is the purpose of a business? A business is to do something of value to its customers. We have two kinds of customers. We've got travelers and we've got partners. Are in the middle of that for a marketplace. How can we do it better? AI, particularly AI using, large language models and other things like that can help make it a much more valuable method for people, travelers to get information they need to do what they wanna do and beneficial to our partners. That's the thing. Now the idea of chat TV, you know, telling me no longer having one method. I mean, I wouldn't read too much into that one way or the other. Mhmm.
00:14:08 · Elad Gil
[00:14:08] S1: Yeah. That makes sense. You know, it's interesting because I'm in the middle of Silicon Valley where people are very AGI pills. Right? People strongly believe that AI will drive all sorts of things, in some cases, will. And in some cases, it'll take longer. In some cases, it won't. You know, it reminds me a little bit of crypto where crypto was gonna solve everything, and it didn't, but it was very important for certain aspects of the financial system. And I think stablecoins and other things are increasingly viable there. On the AI side, what a lot of people are really moving towards is more agentic work, and that could be specific companies like Decagon having agents to do customer support. But it's also the larger platforms like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etcetera, providing increasingly self driven systems, codecs or Cloud Cowork or, you know, some of the things Gemini is doing. And one of the arguments people are making is that the nature of UI is gonna change, and you're gonna have agents doing transactions on your behalf and sourcing things like trips or figuring out your travel itinerary for you or buying or purchasing the actual different aspects of travel? A, do you think that's a correct vision of the world? And, b, do you think or how do you view that interacting with booking and what you all provide as a service?
00:15:23 · Glenn Fogel
[00:15:23] S0: So again, we wanna reduce this to understanding what does the customer want. Many people with travel find it very frustrating. I know that. People that will travel find very frustrating. Trying to put together a complicated trip with family, let's say, multiple destinations, different things you wanna do. It's complex. It's pain. You start planning it, then you stop because it's just too much of a pain. And everybody would like something else. Many people would like something else to do it for them. In fact, that's why you'll find very wealthy people have travel concierge people who are actual human beings who really understand the needs of that customer, what they really like and not, and they will do a lot of the hard work for them. People aren't quite in that wealth zone. They'll have there's a partner or their spouse trying to it for them. I'll be perfectly honest. I'm exposing myself here, but I'll say it. Okay? My wife and I sometimes argue about, okay. Who's gonna have to do all the travel planning for this trip? Because it can be frustrating, etcetera. Now with AI, the beauty is it's gonna make it so much easier, and it's doing it right now. We are doing it right now. And let's use that generic term. Let's call it an agent. So I can't wait until we, Booking Holdings in our companies, are offering up these personalized agents that are they know everything about you, everything you want, and able to do so much more for you than any human travel agent could ever do because the machine never forgets anything. The machine has an infinite amount of permutation. It rapidly look through and choose what is the best thing, and it can go down and then back up. That doesn't work. Why? This doesn't fit that well. Can come back with it. Now, people always want some agency, so they make the decision themselves or at least confirm they want it. Most people aren't, for the most part, a complicated thing. They're going to want it to double check them, check them, or whatever, which is different than say a business person says, gotta go from New York to Chicago. And, you know, your assistant, your human assistant, right now, is doing it for you. That's like an agent doing it for you. He knows what flight you need and all that. That's great. Yeah. But when it's complicated, you want that agency.
00:17:34 · Glenn Fogel
So we at Booking Holdings, all our companies, we are doing that right now. In fact, if you go to Penny, which is Priceline's agentic AI system, and I just did it the other night. I put in a very complex need for a travel with the family where it was my wife and I, we wanna go up in front of the bus. I want the young adults who are adults, but don't think so. I want them in the back of the bus. They're starting. So I got two cabins now. There are one person has to go back to a different city. We're going to Europe. We're going to a city. We're not we're not actually doing the trip from that city where we're gonna land. How are gonna get from where we go? Should we have the hotel where we land and then travel the next day to the other city, or should we go that night? How are gonna do it? What restaurant? All the thing. And I didn't on Priceline, Penny, and it was incredible. I also added another things. I told it that, by the way, I got a lot of frequent flyer miles. So should I be using my miles or should I use it cash and for which ones? And it was just beautiful how it went back and forth and asked me questions like, how many miles do you have with each airline that I'm giving it? And then we're going through the flight part and how much of the cost. By the way, ended up, as I suspected, I'm using my miles for the upfront part for my wife and I. We're paying cash for the kids on our flights. We're going go to the hotel in the city that we landed. The next day, we're going to get a shelf. Was wonderful. It was wonderful. And that's what we want even more so. Here's the real important thing is when things go wrong and things go wrong in travel, nobody's fault. Many times, weather, mechanics, it happens. Okay? You wanna have that one point of contact that can everything because travel is like dominoes. One thing falls over, and it all starts falling over. And that's the beauty with AI being able to figure out being able to look ahead. What can we do? My goal is to have a system that actually we are able to predict well enough what the problem be before it happens and suggest changing. I have so many examples of this, but I see the future.
00:19:37 · Elad Gil
[00:19:37] S1: I guess at a sort of generic level, because your team on a call that we had prior said that Penny adoption, which again is this agentic tool that you've built for Priceline, has doubled every month for the past past few months. And it's generated a lift in conversion plus faster search, shorter path to booking, lower cancellation, higher customer success. So it seems like it's working in really interesting ways. Are there a common set of use cases that you think are most common for Penny? Are there you know, specific things that it doesn't do well that you just need the underlying models to get better for? I'm a little bit curious though.