No Priors: Artificial Intelligence | Technology | Startups
00:36:26 · Glenn Fogel, Elad Gil
And when the person who was making a very nice living and felt very good about himself because he or she is driving an 18 wheeler across The US and getting responsible, helping contribute to a good job there. And now all of sudden, that's completely automated. Mhmm. You're out of a job. What are we gonna how are we gonna retrain that pro? What's that person? That person's gonna feel really bad. And we've seen in society how these type of forced dislocations have caused problems in the past when you look at that. And I'm concerned that there's not enough thought being done about how are we going to deal with these changes if they happen too quickly or not. Society is whole, absolutely. It's always benefit from technology and creating and being able to do more things. But we have to how are we gonna deal with the flip side, the cost that come with it. [00:37:18] S1: Do have a do have a specific viewpoint or proposal in terms of what we should be doing there?
00:37:22 · Glenn Fogel
[00:37:22] S0: Well, I'll tell you one thing that we do here at our company. One thing that we're always doing is trying to upskill people. I'd say every day, I'm talking with my head of the my CHR overhead of, you know, how can we do the best training? How can we get people so they are ready for the future? How do we get them so they are becoming AI literate? It's quite a word that these AI be able to do AI. And that's really important because even if we end up that we can't replace or retrain or put someone else, at least they are better skilled for a job somewhere else. And I feel a real obligation for that. Now that's that's our point. I think everybody should be thinking that way too. It's good for our company. It's a positive for our life for somebody to be able to use new tools in a better way. They're more productive. That's great. It's good. But it also helps them for their career. Now, sometimes I could see somebody in short term saying, I don't wanna spend the money for that. And it's not the right way to think about it. Now, we could have governments coming in with certain types of programs trying to come up with ways, but retraining by governments over the last fifty years really hasn't worked out so well. So I'm not sure that's the right way to go either. But I do believe this is something that I really would like to have more conversation about how to do it because I do I am concerned if we end up in a situation where people will start rejecting technology because of fear, that would end up being bad for us as a society, and by the way, other parts of world are not gonna have that problem, and they will be disadvantaged, I assure you, in China. They not having that same thing about, Oh, AI is bad, and we shouldn't do it. That is not what's happening there. So I really think we got to talk honesty and openly so we have the right conversation and do not end up on the bad side of people coming out and rejecting what actually are going to be good for society.
00:39:15 · Elad Gil, Glenn Fogel
[00:39:15] S1: That makes sense. Yeah. It's interesting too because I know that, I know at least one group that has rerun consumer surveys on AI because there's this claim right now that people are very negative on AI. And it turns out it depends on what the question you ask is. [00:39:28] S0: If you [00:39:29] S1: ask people, do you love using ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude and all that, they're like, we love it, we'll pay more for it, and it's wonderful, helping our lives in all these different ways or it's helping our kids with school or whatever it is. Then if you ask them, are you worried that AI will come and destroy your life and take your job and ruin your career? Then, of course, people are like, I don't like it. And so I think the the questions are being asked a certain way on purpose. And I think to your point, we need to be level headed and say, okay. What's the real implication for different areas of the economy? How do we make sure that people benefit overall? And how do we make sure that people can participate? And that's very different from, you know, taking a pure doomer view or taking a pure sort of negative view on what's coming. So, you know, I appreciate your perspective on that.
00:39:29 · Elad Gil, Glenn Fogel
[00:39:29] S1: ask people, do you love using ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude and all that, they're like, we love it, we'll pay more for it, and it's wonderful, helping our lives in all these different ways or it's helping our kids with school or whatever it is. Then if you ask them, are you worried that AI will come and destroy your life and take your job and ruin your career? Then, of course, people are like, I don't like it. And so I think the the questions are being asked a certain way on purpose. And I think to your point, we need to be level headed and say, okay. What's the real implication for different areas of the economy? How do we make sure that people benefit overall? And how do we make sure that people can participate? And that's very different from, you know, taking a pure doomer view or taking a pure sort of negative view on what's coming. So, you know, I appreciate your perspective on that. [00:40:09] S0: You're so right. Part of the problem is in a democracy, which we have, which I'm in favor of, you'll have people who are saying certain things because they're not missing what they believe, but people will give them a vote. And that's also problematic in any or in favor of democracy, but I'll be in favor of people to be a little bit more honest on what they're saying. [00:40:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's their real purpose? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining today. Really appreciate, you know, you sharing your various views across all these topics. It's been really great chatting with you.
00:40:30 · Elad Gil, Glenn Fogel, S2
[00:40:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's their real purpose? Yeah. 100%. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining today. Really appreciate, you know, you sharing your various views across all these topics. It's been really great chatting with you. [00:40:39] S0: Well, thank you and congratulations on all things that you've accomplished. It's pretty impressive. [00:40:47] S2: Find us on Twitter nopriorspod. Subscribe to our YouTube channel if you wanna see our faces. Follow the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen. That way you get a new episode every week. And sign up for emails or find transcripts for every episode at nopriors.com.