00:16:55 · Philip Johnston, Molly O'Shea
[00:16:55] S1: I mean I've always been interested in space like I wanted to be an astronaut as a kid like anybody. [00:16:59] S0: But why? Like what exposed you to that? Just... [00:17:02] S1: I guess like sci fi movies when I was a kid like I read the Asimov novels foundation series. Yeah it was there was this there's this phrase that people sometimes say which is like we're too late to explore the earth and we're too early to explore the solar system and the galaxy and I always thought that was really sad like it was exciting to me to be an explorer and the, you know, the the voyages across the globe were kind of exciting to me. And then realizing, okay, we've kind of explored everything now. Everything's done. It was kind of sad. And then yeah recently started thinking okay well maybe we can do our own our own effort. Maybe we can be the first to send a spacecraft to the nearest star and well like what an incredible privilege that would be. [00:17:49] S0: So if you wrote a sentimental note on Starcloud one, what are you gonna put on the spacecraft? [00:17:56] S1: Definitely gonna put the name of my fiance on there. So for the low low price of... Oh, you're gonna start selling logo spots? Wow. We got [00:18:07] S0: an advertising option.
00:18:07 · Molly O'Shea, Philip Johnston
[00:18:07] S0: an advertising option. [00:18:09] S1: Yeah. There you go. People can go to permeaxplorer.com/donate and people can put whatever message they want on there. But what would I put on there? I'm excited to put lots of information like records of what earth is like and we're gonna have some interest we'll have some scientific payloads on there we'll have the golden record which is one of the artworks that they put on one of the probes going out of the solar system. But then we'll also have a solicitation period for various artistic payloads, various artworks that people can put on there. So we're actually drawing ideas from various places. Cool ish scientific pilot. Did you ever see this fruit fly that Google or there was a startup they cut they slice the brain yeah of fruit Yeah. So we'll put a digital copy of that, like the... Of this fruit fly thing and, like... [00:19:01] S0: Whoever finds this is gonna be like, humans are tiny. [00:19:04] S1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was living like, how the hell [00:19:07] S0: did they [00:19:07] S1: do this? Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:10] S0: That's awesome. Alright. So I do have to address this because every time... We've done plenty of hot takes now. We did one at the New York Stock Exchange. We did one in Paris at the Raise AI Summit. So I have to ask you now, what is your hottest take?
00:19:10 · Molly O'Shea, Philip Johnston
[00:19:10] S0: That's awesome. Alright. So I do have to address this because every time... We've done plenty of hot takes now. We did one at the New York Stock Exchange. We did one in Paris at the Raise AI Summit. So I have to ask you now, what is your hottest take? [00:19:26] S1: Every time I do a hot take with you, I get in trouble. Because usually, last time we did it, I said you should buy SpaceX stock and then Elon retweeted it. But you were right. Was a 100% right. Okay. And then what was my hottest take? Let's stick on the theme. So Elon posted that they're going be worth $100,000,000,000,000 in ten years. I think they might be worth more than $100,000,000,000,000 in [00:19:53] S0: You 10 do. Yes. If all goes to plan and there's no world war, believe SpaceX you will be worth more than a $100,000,000,000,000? [00:20:01] S1: Correct. [00:20:02] S0: Okay. Well, that'll be good for business. [00:20:06] S1: Yeah, exactly. [00:20:07] S0: What would make that up though? So break that down. How do you think about it? [00:20:12] S1: Actually, mostly a good chunk of it will come from the fact that Tesla's Optimus will be up and running. And so once you have Optimus is building Optimus factories, then you have this incredible exponential and so for all of manufacturing, rate of growth will increase a lot once optimus is producing optimuses. It's a bit like what's happening now with the recursive self improvement but for the physical world. [00:20:41] S0: Do you think Tesla will merge with SpaceX, which will help with that?
00:20:41 · Molly O'Shea, Philip Johnston
[00:20:41] S0: Do you think Tesla will merge with SpaceX, which will help with that? [00:20:45] S1: This isn't a hard take. This is just a fact. SpaceX is going to buy Tesla, and they have to wait until the unlocks of the stock because if they do, then everyone's gonna say the price wasn't fair. So at the moment, yeah, the... At the moment, it's... You're not gonna see too many announcements, but I think there's a Roadster announcement tonight. But beyond that, I don't think you're gonna see any announcements about Optimus for the next year. And then once they once they do the merger, then we'll hear a lot more. [00:21:14] S0: I know this will come out after the Roadster announcement, but what's your prediction? [00:21:20] S1: What I've heard is they have these cold gas thrusters from Star... From one... From, like, the spacecraft that they've... So you have a compressor that's compressing air essentially, and then that's being fired out the back, which means... Which gives you like absurd acceleration and cornering and everything else. And also, think... I think there's... I think... [00:21:41] S0: Lift? [00:21:42] S1: Lift. Yeah. Usually think you can get lift on these things. [00:21:45] S0: Oh my gosh. [00:21:46] S1: What do what do you what do you think? [00:21:47] S0: I just... I kind of thought it might be an eVTOL. [00:21:52] S1: That would be wild, but I don't think it is. [00:21:55] S0: You don't think it is? [00:21:56] S1: We would know by now if it's an eVTOL. [00:21:58] S0: Think you could just skip the whole car thing and just go to eVTOL, call it a roadster.
00:21:58 · Molly O'Shea, Philip Johnston
[00:21:58] S0: Think you could just skip the whole car thing and just go to eVTOL, call it a roadster. [00:22:03] S1: That would be amazing. I like it. That would be incredible, but, I would be extremely surprised if it's an eVTOL. [00:22:09] S0: Alright. Stay tuned for our [00:22:10] S1: predictions. Oh my god. I don't know. This one is [00:22:16] S0: a little bit more than length. [00:22:18] S1: Length and girth. Length and girth. [00:22:21] S0: That's crazy. So is this for what? This [00:22:25] S1: for screwing in bolts. That's crazy. [00:22:30] S0: Where did you find this? [00:22:31] S1: I went to a Halloween store this morning because I was like... Well, that's actually pretty impressive [00:22:35] S0: for Halloween. [00:22:35] S1: I can't be sword mugged by the rest
00:22:35 · Philip Johnston, Molly O'Shea
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