02:35:13 · Casey Neistat
[02:35:13] S6: Yeah. My daughter is 10. This is the first summer she's allowed to, like, walk around with her friends without a parent, and she has a flip phone. And she had this whole argument for getting an iPhone that has nothing on it but the phone and messaging. And my wife and I had this discussion, and the reason why we said no. It has to be the flip phone is because of the camera. Like, it it introduces a new level of sort of attention and why you're in purpose. And the reason why we wanted her to have a phone is simply to stay in touch with us. No other reason. But the minute you introduce this other sort of novel aspect of it, it becomes much more of a social dynamic and a social consideration in the way that you're trying to get away from that. But I think just going back to the camera things, this is such an obsession of mine. I think that we are quick to quick to ignore or look past the relationship we have with with the aesthetic that a camera yields. And when you see those pictures off of those old point and shoots, they look like something specific. Like, when you were talking about that old skateboard fish eye DV look, it looks like something specific. You have a relationship with that. When we see stuff that looks like it's VHS, we think of the eighties or the nineties. And I think now there's just sort of this generic aesthetic across the board, this, like, crispy flat four k phone thing. And there's this desire to have something that that it has some sense of identity attached to it. And that's why we're seeing these sort of Gen z types, you know, looking for older tech that's that reflects more of who they are, more individuality. And I think that's a trend that we're gonna see continue.
02:36:49 · Jordi Hays, John Coogan, Casey Neistat
[02:36:49] S0: Yeah. It's this generation's vinyl. [02:36:51] S1: Yeah. I I I've joked that I wanna film I wanna film the first podcast on Panavision film or something. Just spend a fortune developing the film. [02:37:01] S0: What other what other what other consumer tech categories are you excited about? We're having we're having the founder of Waves on and I and I in twenty minutes and they got like 12,000,000 views yesterday for launching like sunglasses that well, just livestream constantly. Do you have a [02:37:19] S6: do you have a ratio of positive to negative mentions in those 12,000,000 views? [02:37:25] S0: I mean, I think everybody people had a viscerally negative reaction to it. [02:37:29] S6: That's that's my take on it as well. And it makes me think you know, my my, software development company, Beam, my startup, we started that company in 02/2014, and a little known aspect of that company is initially, it was built around Google Glass. [02:37:46] S1: No
02:37:46 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Jordi Hays
[02:37:46] S1: No [02:37:46] S6: way. And we actually you know, we we rewrote the code. We rewrote the the software that Google Glass ran so that a singular function, which was you push a button like this, it captures ten seconds and immediately shares it to your feed. That's where we started with that. And I remember meeting with Google, and they were excited about it, and they showed us what Google Glass two was gonna look like, and we're like, fuck. Yeah. We started raising money based on that. And then a week later, they announced they were killing the entire Google Glass program, and we we backed off. We're like, alright. We'll just do it on the phone now. But I think when you ask about sort of the social impact of being able to livestream all the time or the negative reaction that we're seeing based on on Waves' video they posted yesterday, I think the social dynamic is something that is often overlooked in the hardware startup world. I think of the Humane AI pin. You know, a really good friend of mine worked for for Humane and, obviously, super excited about new technology. Yeah. Sam. Oh, yeah. Which, parenthetically, you joke about Panavision for a podcast. Sam Sheffer has in his studio for his live streaming setup a VHS camera hardwired into his deck so he can livestream from VHS. [02:38:55] S1: That's amazing. [02:38:55] S6: But Sam would be around [02:38:57] S0: We tried to I tried to hire Sam, by the way. We worked with him on a project, and I was like [02:39:01] S6: He's way too hot. He's way too hot. [02:39:03] S0: Gotta be he's gotta be sold.
02:39:03 · Jordi Hays, Casey Neistat, John Coogan
[02:39:03] S0: Gotta be he's gotta be sold. [02:39:04] S6: He's way too big of a deal. Yeah. Sam's the best. But when I'd be around him and he had his AI pin on, I was always sort of looking down at that or, like, thinking about what I'm saying and uncomfortable about, you know, speaking openly to him. And I think, like, that's what I mean by social implications. Like, you know, my phone is on my couch right here, but if we're sitting together and I'm holding my phone like this the whole time we're talking, you're uneasy about that. [02:39:30] S1: Yeah. Yeah. [02:39:31] S6: So when I think of a pair of glasses that are livestreaming or at least have the capability of livestreaming the whole time, when I look at them, I'm uneasy. Yeah. And I think of this you know, maybe the most extreme example of this is, Apple Vision Pro, which, you know, blew my mind when I got that thing. Like, yeah, I made the most the most glowing video about it because it was the greatest technology I've ever used. But later that night, because I made the video the same day I got them, I'm at home using them, and my wife is like, JC, take those fucking things off your face and pay attention to your kids. And I was like, oh, you can't wear these around other people. [02:40:09] S1: Yeah.
02:40:09 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Jordi Hays
[02:40:09] S1: Yeah. [02:40:10] S6: And I was like, how did they not see that? And I so I I think about that because, like, we're sort of accustomed to people using their phones, and it's kind of okay. Like, we're used to this. This is not okay. Yeah. And so when I think about wearables, I think that that is going to be a gigantic thing to overcome, which is [02:40:29] S0: Well, the crazy so so Amazon acquired a company. It got announced this week called Bee which is a brace Mhmm. After after all everything they faced with Siri, Siri's listening to me. The Bee band just listens to you all Every day single conversation. Everything. Everything. And and I and it's and it's cool. Like, I I think all new tech for the most part is cool. Do I want my team to be wearing a bee bracelet? Are we gonna allow people to wear bee bands? [02:40:56] S1: This might be a bee free zone. [02:40:57] S0: This might be a bee free zone. You know?
02:40:57 · Jordi Hays, Casey Neistat, John Coogan
[02:40:57] S0: This might be a bee free zone. You know? [02:40:59] S6: There's I'm not gonna have any friends that wear b's. I don't have any friends anyways, but if you have a b, it just means, like, we can't hang out. Yeah. Yeah. Because it makes it makes me uncomfortable. And look. I think there's an argument. It's like, get over it. Like, you fucking Luddite. Like, this is the direction everything's headed, and you're being recorded all the time anyway. Sure. But in the interim, I do think, like, there is a there's a learning curve. I think that Meta's decision to put wearable glasses with a camera on them in Ray Bans, the most common sunglasses in the world, was brilliant because we're all familiar with this pair of sunglasses. Like Yep. There was no learning curve. There was no, like, what's that thing on your face? We know what it is. Mhmm. I think how emphatic they are about having the indicator light. There's no way you can turn it off. If you cover it, they don't record. There's some degree there at least [02:41:46] S0: there's That's important. Like my my question my question for the the wave founder in twenty minutes is, should your glasses be bright red and have like you know a circle in the middle of your head that's flashing that says I'm recording. [02:41:59] S1: Yeah. I mean if you [02:42:00] S0: So that people