02:31:22 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat
[02:31:22] S1: Yeah. [02:31:23] S6: This big, but it was the first one that had really great color screen on it. And it took six double a batteries instead of four, like, the Game Boy, but the battery life on it was, like, forty minutes. [02:31:33] S1: Yeah. And you remember the n 64, like, expansion pack that you put in to, like, double the memory? That was [02:31:39] S6: Yeah, dude. I remember. That would have the rumble pack that shipped to the scarf box. That was, like, the greatest innovation ever. My mind exploded when the controller shook. [02:31:46] S1: Yeah. Dude, these, like, like, these add ons because, like, they couldn't bake it all into the first product, [02:31:51] S6: and they they upsell. And that's that's indicative of the limitations of what tech can do. Totally. And when you look at, like, you know, I don't know what what Samsung announced last week two weeks ago at Unpacked, and you're looking at what the limitations are today of, like, a folding screen that's as thick as 10 sheets of paper, you realize how far we've come. But when you go in the other direction, there's kind of no limits, and you're looking to make something that was made thirty years ago. The problem is, like, where do you draw the line? And I think that's a really, it's a really interesting thing to try to overcome and confront.
02:31:51 · Casey Neistat, John Coogan
[02:31:51] S6: and they they upsell. And that's that's indicative of the limitations of what tech can do. Totally. And when you look at, like, you know, I don't know what what Samsung announced last week two weeks ago at Unpacked, and you're looking at what the limitations are today of, like, a folding screen that's as thick as 10 sheets of paper, you realize how far we've come. But when you go in the other direction, there's kind of no limits, and you're looking to make something that was made thirty years ago. The problem is, like, where do you draw the line? And I think that's a really, it's a really interesting thing to try to overcome and confront. [02:32:23] S1: Yeah. What can you teach me about the lore of, in the video camera world? I was looking at a cool new music video and it had this fisheye lens and this grain and I was kind of digging in and it seemed like they shot it on like a Sony skate camera with mini DV tapes. Like, this feels like something that I was looking at. Maybe I could buy one on eBay but it's probably broken and I want someone to go remake it. But then, of course, you always have like, oh, you could just like throw the filter on there in Premiere or whatever. But what are some of the what are some of the iconic video cameras or just like creative tools that might, you know, be worth revisiting at some point?
02:32:23 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat, Hulk Hogan, Zak Kukoff
[02:32:23] S1: Yeah. What can you teach me about the lore of, in the video camera world? I was looking at a cool new music video and it had this fisheye lens and this grain and I was kind of digging in and it seemed like they shot it on like a Sony skate camera with mini DV tapes. Like, this feels like something that I was looking at. Maybe I could buy one on eBay but it's probably broken and I want someone to go remake it. But then, of course, you always have like, oh, you could just like throw the filter on there in Premiere or whatever. But what are some of the what are some of the iconic video cameras or just like creative tools that might, you know, be worth revisiting at some point? [02:33:00] S6: Yeah. It's it's such an interesting examination, and and your your question's great because my family and I are out. We're in Massachusetts for for summer vacation, and there's a lot of kids around. Like, we went and got ice cream last night, [02:33:13] S4: a lot [02:33:13] S6: of teenagers around. And a lot of these kids go up and they ask me for selfies. [02:33:17] S1: For sure. [02:33:18] S6: And the amount of teenagers that come up to me and ask me for selfies, and they're carrying the point and [02:33:22] S5: shoots Wow. [02:33:23] S6: That we had Yeah. In, like, the February, like, your phone camera was good enough. [02:33:29] S1: Yeah.
02:33:29 · John Coogan, Casey Neistat
[02:33:29] S1: Yeah. [02:33:29] S6: They all carry them. No one makes that camera anymore, which means if you have one, you have an old one. Yeah. And every one of these kids has it. And when I I asked them because I'm I'm curious, like, why do you carry that? They're like, I love the way it looks. Yeah. And I I think we've reached this point, like, iPhone, cell phone photography, it all looks still perfect Yep. In a way that it almost becomes artificial. Like, I think the iPhone five was the last iPhone where when you took a picture, just sort of took a picture. And then after that, every time you take a picture now, on any modern smartphone, it takes a picture and then runs it through an algorithm to make the picture sweeter and cleaner and sharper and better for you. And I think there's sort of this yearning for something that feels more real and authentic.
02:34:09 · Jordi Hays
[02:34:09] S0: It's like you look at a you're at a store looking at at a picture, you know, a camera from a picture from from 2010 or a camera or a picture from an iPhone today is like you're at you're at the grocery store and there's the organic apples they look they look good but like they're a little fucked up and and and you know they maybe like whatever part of it's kind of rotten and then you look over and you see the perfect apple and like intuitively you know that you're like that it's a little bit too good to be true that apple over there, you know. Yeah. And I think I don't know the other thing that's real is removing the camera like adding the camera to the phone has been one of the greatest innovations of the century. Right? In in in many ways. But now removing it, removing the camera from the phone and being able to leave your phone and just bring a camera around is also an innovation. Right? Going going going backwards and I think that's the other thing that that kids like and and I found that's nice. If I'm going to the beach with my kids, it's nice to be able to bring a camera but not have my phone.
02:35:13 · Casey Neistat
[02:35:13] S6: Yeah. My daughter is 10. This is the first summer she's allowed to, like, walk around with her friends without a parent, and she has a flip phone. And she had this whole argument for getting an iPhone that has nothing on it but the phone and messaging. And my wife and I had this discussion, and the reason why we said no. It has to be the flip phone is because of the camera. Like, it it introduces a new level of sort of attention and why you're in purpose. And the reason why we wanted her to have a phone is simply to stay in touch with us. No other reason. But the minute you introduce this other sort of novel aspect of it, it becomes much more of a social dynamic and a social consideration in the way that you're trying to get away from that. But I think just going back to the camera things, this is such an obsession of mine. I think that we are quick to quick to ignore or look past the relationship we have with with the aesthetic that a camera yields. And when you see those pictures off of those old point and shoots, they look like something specific. Like, when you were talking about that old skateboard fish eye DV look, it looks like something specific. You have a relationship with that. When we see stuff that looks like it's VHS, we think of the eighties or the nineties. And I think now there's just sort of this generic aesthetic across the board, this, like, crispy flat four k phone thing. And there's this desire to have something that that it has some sense of identity attached to it. And that's why we're seeing these sort of Gen z types, you know, looking for older tech that's that reflects more of who they are, more individuality. And I think that's a trend that we're gonna see continue.