02:05:22 · Jordi Hays, Micky Malka, John Coogan
[02:05:22] S0: or Yeah. Just the whole like, you know, the Like Robinhood that felt like You know, the Robinhood, GameStop, saga, those moments. It feels like there was a lot of hard ones, lessons. And then we've started this new cycle, this new bubble, whatever you wanna call it. And hopefully, lot of them have taken those taken learnings from that and are are implementing it, whether it's around risk management and things like that. [02:05:46] S8: Yeah. So I think the lessons from that time was when COVID started, most of these companies were not ready to turbocharge. And what happened during COVID, if you look back, is that you probably fast track four, five years of customers and growth into twelve months. Yeah. And none of these teams were prepared for it. Being at home, not being able to do much more, it just supercharged all of these companies. And they overhire, and they were working remote, and they didn't have capital, you know, frameworks in place because the growth was unexpected. And we remember getting a bunch of calls during that time. In the beginning, like, this is amazing. And then, like, this is getting tough, and this is gonna be problematic. And and it it can crack here or there. And when we got the phone call at three, four, five in the morning from Robinhood saying the GameStop day and what needed to be done, And we funded them in four hours, almost [02:06:42] S0: half a [02:06:43] S8: billion dollars that we didn't have, that we asked a bank to lend us to do it. [02:06:48] S1: We've all [02:06:48] S0: Called it an old favor from an old friend?
02:06:48 · Jordi Hays, Micky Malka, John Coogan
[02:06:48] S0: Called it an old favor from an old friend? [02:06:51] S8: Yes. Literally, a favor from literally, a favor from an old friend. And that's what it takes to build relationships in banking. You need decades of that so you can call in that favor when it's needed. And that day and look at how long it took for the brand to regain the trust of the market. It was almost two and a half years [02:07:10] S1: Yeah. [02:07:10] S8: From that moment. And you gotta be a special leader and a special team to go through that turf and come back out of it. And now they're hitting their cylinders, but they got their story right. So you can see it in the Brian Armstrongs, in the Nikolay Storonsky, in the Vlad Tenevs, in the David Vales. They have that now. They went through that, and they're on the other side, and they're all between 38 and 40 to one. So they got the best decade of their life coming coming their way.
02:07:10 · Micky Malka, John Coogan
[02:07:10] S8: From that moment. And you gotta be a special leader and a special team to go through that turf and come back out of it. And now they're hitting their cylinders, but they got their story right. So you can see it in the Brian Armstrongs, in the Nikolay Storonsky, in the Vlad Tenevs, in the David Vales. They have that now. They went through that, and they're on the other side, and they're all between 38 and 40 to one. So they got the best decade of their life coming coming their way. [02:07:40] S1: Yeah. What does that mean for competition at the early stage? It feels like it's it was really it was in in in retrospect it seems like a no brainer to back disruptive technologies in this huge market finance. But now you have if you're starting a company that's gonna carve out a little slice of, oh, Robinhood's not touching this yet or Coinbase isn't touching this yet. It's like, well, those companies are incredibly well capitalized and they're run by founders who are not about to retire anytime soon. Seems kind of dangerous. So where are you seeing pockets of opportunity in the early stage? What are you seeing in the next generation of founders that might actually go and be able to carve out enough of a slice to grow into a generational company?
02:07:40 · John Coogan, Micky Malka, Jordi Hays
[02:07:40] S1: Yeah. What does that mean for competition at the early stage? It feels like it's it was really it was in in in retrospect it seems like a no brainer to back disruptive technologies in this huge market finance. But now you have if you're starting a company that's gonna carve out a little slice of, oh, Robinhood's not touching this yet or Coinbase isn't touching this yet. It's like, well, those companies are incredibly well capitalized and they're run by founders who are not about to retire anytime soon. Seems kind of dangerous. So where are you seeing pockets of opportunity in the early stage? What are you seeing in the next generation of founders that might actually go and be able to carve out enough of a slice to grow into a generational company? [02:08:23] S8: Yeah. I think what's coming for or the I'm more excited for what's coming this next decade than the last decade, if you ask me. The last decade was just a setup for this decade. And there will be a bunch of new teams and companies. And we have been spending time with the young generation, like kids who are between founders who are between 19 and 25 [02:08:44] S1: Yeah. [02:08:44] S8: And or 19 and 27, call it. Their brains are just faster. Their ways of thinking about how to build products is just different. They are they they spend the best years the the year of COVID learning [02:08:59] S0: Mhmm.
02:08:59 · Jordi Hays, Micky Malka
[02:08:59] S0: Mhmm. [02:09:00] S8: And learning how to think really fast. And I've been blown away on how quick they are understanding and how quick they are to build. So we have these thesis that we've we've been we've been we wrote. It took us almost a year to write, which we call it token factories. Mhmm. And it's this world where forget about crypto rails or or fintech or AI. All of these things are blending. If before it was fintech here and AI and crypto here, and we said that they blended, now we have financial services with crypto rails with AIs. And the thing between all of them is that they're all tokens. Everything is a token. Mhmm. So we we call it the token factory token revolution era. And tokenizing information, tokenizing money, and tokenizing power. And how those three things combine, it's where we're seeing some of the best entrepreneurs working. So that's what got us really excited. So we found a bunch of small young teams who are building what we call now token factories, companies that are building either access tokens that give you abilities to connect anywhere they want in the world to do anything. There's expert tokens. These are companies that are generating knowledge or expert information that is solely unique, that is gonna change the way you manage wealth management, wealth advisory, the way you manage insurance product, insurance agents. And then you have what we call asset tokens. Mhmm. And stablecoins is the first of the asset tokens outside of Bitcoin. It's the first of the of the true asset tokens.
02:10:37 · John Coogan, Micky Malka, Casey Neistat
[02:10:37] S1: Talk to me about real estate. I feel like that's the that was something in the at the peak of the crypto boom 2022. We were starting to hear about mortgages on chain, physical assets on chain. We're now starting to see stocks get on chain and and obviously US dollars which are much more tangible than artworks for example. But it feels like most of this generation's entrepreneurs probably learned a hard lesson during the global financial crisis of like the risks of over financialization in the real estate markets. But maybe like how do you see things developing or or or real estate assets playing out generally over the next decade? [02:11:19] S8: So I I I think you you John, you said something that was really important. If you look this wall behind me Yeah. Artists always tell you where the future is going before we get there. [02:11:29] S6: Sure.