Sachin and Adam
00:08:44 · Adam, Sachin
[00:08:44] S1: Yeah. I I 100% agree. I think also mid episode, I had this feeling of like, hey, we might actually be onto something here in the sense of, like, he said after that was one of the best conversations he's had. [00:08:55] S0: It was during the episode, and he was like, guys, this episode is going in an incredible direction. We need to cut the first twenty minutes and we need to go an hour hour over schedule. Yeah. He went like over two hours over schedule.
00:09:04 · Adam
[00:09:04] S1: Yeah. And he's a busy guy, so that's no little feats. But I think like something that we're constantly fighting against is like, does the world need more two 25 year old guys talking about tech? And I think that's something always in the back of the mind of my mind and what a lot of people have said to us, which is like rightly so. Like, I think if someone came to me and said, oh, like, I'm going full time on a podcast and we're talking about this and it's a very general thing. I'm not sure if I'd advise them to do it, but I think what we're finding is we're trying to niche down into what we do that's brilliant and what we do that can be world class. And I think that's part of the conversations we're having at the moment is like, even if we change our name, like that's a very live conversation right now is that we've had this name for the last four years, the Sachin and Adam show. In this direction we're going, and I think Day Pro validated that this is a direction that can be unique if we're at the highest quality bar and we can execute it really well, is like, do we then start changing things? And I think that's something that we're still reflecting on in the back of our minds. The other thing I've been thinking about a lot is I listened to this podcast with Tim Ferriss and Cal Newport. He's a deep work, the guy that wrote about deep work, he's actually a computer scientist as well. But they speak a lot about how it's actually not that hard to become an eight to nine out of 10 podcast interviewer. And Tim Ferriss actually reckons a lot of people, if they train for a year, that can get there. He thinks what's going to be the differentiator in the future is writing. And he said there's going to be a lot of podcasters that do really well, but he thinks the things that will be, you know, evergreen and stand out forever is really, really good writing because that's a trained skill that takes a long time to develop. Yeah.
00:10:39 · Sachin, Adam
[00:10:39] S0: I I don't... That's nothing new. Like, I think it's always been like that. Like, great writing has been a really difficult skill, to cultivate. And, like, there are... I mean, of course, there's so many seminal writing pieces. Like, whether you're talking about great literature, whether you're talking about modern books, like, even essays, you don't really name that many seminal podcasts, like that many seminal interviews, really just because of the form factor. And it's a really interesting point. And I think, like, in that podcast of Cal Newport, they talk a lot about, like, just doing extremely high quality work. And Dave Perrell, after our podcast, resonated the same things. He was like, just think about how can you produce, like, the highest quality thing of whatever you're doing in your domain and, like, why are you not pursuing that? And so I think we're talking a lot about, like, okay, do we just only do 10 out 10 out of 10 things and release it if it's 10 out of 10? But at the same time, if we're like a content business, then you're releasing a lot of things at the same time. So there's a bit of like a pool there Yeah. On both sides. [00:11:35] S1: I I think something that stood out to me is we actually asked Dave Perrell if he'd come on as an adviser because he was so motivated after that episode. We think he could be a massive unlock. I think, like, he he didn't have time to do it and maybe that's something we'll consider down the line. But he signed off on that email saying, like, keep your quality by extremely high, Dave.
00:11:35 · Adam, Sachin
[00:11:35] S1: I I think something that stood out to me is we actually asked Dave Perrell if he'd come on as an adviser because he was so motivated after that episode. We think he could be a massive unlock. I think, like, he he didn't have time to do it and maybe that's something we'll consider down the line. But he signed off on that email saying, like, keep your quality by extremely high, Dave. [00:11:53] S0: Mhmm. And I think it's... I really think it's true. Like, where the world is heading is that we're obviously in a world where there's gonna be increasing amounts of content by humans, but also by AI. And there's a lot of noise, and there's a lot of low quality things. Like, in the old world, in the world of TV and radio, for any disadvantages, like, there was a generally high quality bar. Like, you had to sort of pass these tests to get on there. Now anyone can manufacture things. And I think we've always talked about it in a very positive light that it, like, democratizes access to distribution. Anyone can put their ideas out there. But it also just means there's a lot of trash as well. And so does the world need more trash, or does the world need more high quality things that are really, really soulful, authentic, and can actually change people? Yeah. Dave spoke a
00:12:40 · Adam
[00:12:40] S1: lot about how he cultivates his taste. Like even things like every time he goes to New York, he goes to the Mona and he like, what? The Monarch or the Met, one of those galleries and he show shows how much taste we have. But he but he goes into there and he like really, really like examines the art. And I think it's almost like a way of being in the world where you notice things, like you notice distinct architectural patterns or you notice even like the interior of a store, even what someone's wearing. And I think something that I'm focusing on these the next six months is like, how do I really improve my taste? So everything I consume, I'm trying to make sure it's almost like it... It's had that mark of approval that's still relevant in 10... Like after ten years. So I'm trying to read older books than I used to. I'm trying to like even listen to like different music. Like I was listening to a playlist yesterday that was curated by Elton John, and it was really interesting, like all this stuff that I would never listen to, but you could tell that he has taste. And I think there's this balance in between mimicking the taste of others and almost like accepting the societal standards of taste, which I don't really agree with. And there's a lot of that that happens in the art world where it's almost like a self fulfilling prophecy. If one taste maker says this is good and then everyone like goes on, it's like even the same thing with like fashion brands like Hermès and stuff like that. But I also think there's something to learn from people with a lot of taste, and I'm trying to identify the people in my life with a lot of taste and really trying to see how they how they examine the world. And what I've realized, it's almost like more of a slow way of being in the world. It's more of a way of like noticing these things, you know, around us. It's not about optimizing every moment going really fast. I think a lot of taste is developed quite slowly, and it's also developed quite intuitively. And I think, like, a lot of
00:14:18 · Sachin
[00:14:18] S0: the females in my life have far better taste than the males. I don't know why that is. The people that have taste as well, they never get captive by audience. Like, they very much march to the beat of their own drums when it term... When it comes to putting out things. And I think Rick Rubin says this the best. He talks about with content that's, like, really true to you, don't worry about, like, pleasing anyone else. Like, literally make it for yourself and no one else. And I think that's what the best art is about ultimately as well. It is this manifestation of self expression at, like, your almost highest level of being. And you feel this deep alignment to what you've created, and you put it into the world and some people resonate with it. And I think that's like... That's why art is, like, very polarizing as well because a lot of art will not resonate with, like, anyone because it really matters to that person, but it might all matter to others. Yeah. And I think that's something that, like, we need to think about for the long term as well. Like, you need to listen to users and people that listen to your content and actually... You wanna make sure you're pleasing them. At the same time, I I think you wanna make sure that you're not just catering to them as well.