Sachin and Adam
00:06:14 · Sachin
[00:06:14] S0: a really big reflection point last week. So we did two episodes. One episode was with an investor in The States who's highly acclaimed. But the episode, it's our fault, but we had a lot of technical difficulties because we were using this new software platform, and it felt so protracted, and we didn't quite get into flow. So I don't think we're gonna release that, and we're gonna have to navigate how we kindly tell people that because that's just reality if you wanna have a really high quality bar. But then we did an episode on Friday with David Perell, and it went for, like, almost two hours, and we were talking to him after. And that episode, I'm gonna... I can't wait till we rewatch it. It fucking changed my life. It was such a deep conversation about career, ambition, god, relationships, psychology, everything. Like, it was sort of meant to be a tech style episode, but it wasn't. And you could tell that there was something special there, that there were conversations that he's a really big figure in the tech world. He's had done a lot of podcasts, but there were things that haven't been said before and questions that hadn't been asked. And, like, I remember very distinctly having this feeling mid episode where I was like, if you paid me... If you said I could never make over, like, $50,000 and all I had to do for the rest of my life was, like, sit in a room and interview interesting people like Dave, like, that would be, like... That would make me so happy. Like, those are the sort of conversations I fucking live for, and it was incredible.
00:07:31 · Adam, Sachin
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00:08:44 · Adam, Sachin
[00:08:44] S1: Yeah. I I 100% agree. I think also mid episode, I had this feeling of like, hey, we might actually be onto something here in the sense of, like, he said after that was one of the best conversations he's had. [00:08:55] S0: It was during the episode, and he was like, guys, this episode is going in an incredible direction. We need to cut the first twenty minutes and we need to go an hour hour over schedule. Yeah. He went like over two hours over schedule.
00:09:04 · Adam
[00:09:04] S1: Yeah. And he's a busy guy, so that's no little feats. But I think like something that we're constantly fighting against is like, does the world need more two 25 year old guys talking about tech? And I think that's something always in the back of the mind of my mind and what a lot of people have said to us, which is like rightly so. Like, I think if someone came to me and said, oh, like, I'm going full time on a podcast and we're talking about this and it's a very general thing. I'm not sure if I'd advise them to do it, but I think what we're finding is we're trying to niche down into what we do that's brilliant and what we do that can be world class. And I think that's part of the conversations we're having at the moment is like, even if we change our name, like that's a very live conversation right now is that we've had this name for the last four years, the Sachin and Adam show. In this direction we're going, and I think Day Pro validated that this is a direction that can be unique if we're at the highest quality bar and we can execute it really well, is like, do we then start changing things? And I think that's something that we're still reflecting on in the back of our minds. The other thing I've been thinking about a lot is I listened to this podcast with Tim Ferriss and Cal Newport. He's a deep work, the guy that wrote about deep work, he's actually a computer scientist as well. But they speak a lot about how it's actually not that hard to become an eight to nine out of 10 podcast interviewer. And Tim Ferriss actually reckons a lot of people, if they train for a year, that can get there. He thinks what's going to be the differentiator in the future is writing. And he said there's going to be a lot of podcasters that do really well, but he thinks the things that will be, you know, evergreen and stand out forever is really, really good writing because that's a trained skill that takes a long time to develop. Yeah.
00:10:39 · Sachin, Adam
[00:10:39] S0: I I don't... That's nothing new. Like, I think it's always been like that. Like, great writing has been a really difficult skill, to cultivate. And, like, there are... I mean, of course, there's so many seminal writing pieces. Like, whether you're talking about great literature, whether you're talking about modern books, like, even essays, you don't really name that many seminal podcasts, like that many seminal interviews, really just because of the form factor. And it's a really interesting point. And I think, like, in that podcast of Cal Newport, they talk a lot about, like, just doing extremely high quality work. And Dave Perrell, after our podcast, resonated the same things. He was like, just think about how can you produce, like, the highest quality thing of whatever you're doing in your domain and, like, why are you not pursuing that? And so I think we're talking a lot about, like, okay, do we just only do 10 out 10 out of 10 things and release it if it's 10 out of 10? But at the same time, if we're like a content business, then you're releasing a lot of things at the same time. So there's a bit of like a pool there Yeah. On both sides. [00:11:35] S1: I I think something that stood out to me is we actually asked Dave Perrell if he'd come on as an adviser because he was so motivated after that episode. We think he could be a massive unlock. I think, like, he he didn't have time to do it and maybe that's something we'll consider down the line. But he signed off on that email saying, like, keep your quality by extremely high, Dave.
00:11:35 · Adam, Sachin
[00:11:35] S1: I I think something that stood out to me is we actually asked Dave Perrell if he'd come on as an adviser because he was so motivated after that episode. We think he could be a massive unlock. I think, like, he he didn't have time to do it and maybe that's something we'll consider down the line. But he signed off on that email saying, like, keep your quality by extremely high, Dave. [00:11:53] S0: Mhmm. And I think it's... I really think it's true. Like, where the world is heading is that we're obviously in a world where there's gonna be increasing amounts of content by humans, but also by AI. And there's a lot of noise, and there's a lot of low quality things. Like, in the old world, in the world of TV and radio, for any disadvantages, like, there was a generally high quality bar. Like, you had to sort of pass these tests to get on there. Now anyone can manufacture things. And I think we've always talked about it in a very positive light that it, like, democratizes access to distribution. Anyone can put their ideas out there. But it also just means there's a lot of trash as well. And so does the world need more trash, or does the world need more high quality things that are really, really soulful, authentic, and can actually change people? Yeah. Dave spoke a