00:30:10 · Ty Morse, Eric Jorgenson
[00:30:10] S0: You're basically putting off all those other things and saying, I'm just gonna be focused on this for however long that is. [00:30:15] S1: Yeah. And and, like, I honor, respect, and appreciate that people do that. Like, thank God that that exists, and thank God that there are people who are willing to go do it. And for people to sort of pass moral judgment on others who wanna work harder than them, I say, what and why? But to go do that tour of duty and just give yourself over to an organization and say, like, just ring me out. Just get as much as you can out of me while I'm here because I believe in this mission and I want to be pushed to my limit and I wanna be... I wanna give everything that I can to, you know, achieve this new milestone of humanoid robotics or autonomous driving or, you know, getting us to Mars, getting Starship going, building data centers in space, whatever it is. And it's really hard to have that sort of culture and that level of dedication if you're running a real estate brokerage. Right? Like, so in this way, I think the the mission and the purposeness of the purposefulness of what he does is integral to the cultures that he builds and the people that he attracts and the amount of progress that gets made.
00:31:18 · Ty Morse
[00:31:18] S0: How do you think he goes about basically creating missions in his own mind? I've heard people say that he, like, doesn't read people extremely well, but he's also just incredibly good at figuring out here's like a grand vision for people to believe in. And a lot of the world will be like, it doesn't really matter. I don't really care. But then there's like some subsection of the world that just absolutely loves it and is like, Elon's gonna go, you know, make life multi planetary, and so we should all join that. What, like, makes a great mission from his perspective?
00:31:50 · Eric Jorgenson
[00:31:50] S1: I mean, I I think, funnily enough, a lot of this comes from sci fi. Like, it's almost it's almost childish. Like, I think a lot of, like, adults would say, like, oh, going to Mars is... That's not our biggest problem. We need to solve gerrymandering or something. And he's like, no. No. No. Let's, like, let's zoom out. But that that broad perspective comes from, I think, thinking of these grand time scales and reading foundation and realizing that, you know, these existential risks of an asteroid hitting Earth seem fanciful and farcical and unreal until all of a sudden they're real. And he just has a very objective sort of, like, math based broad view where he's like, there's probably at some point gonna be another world war, just statistically speaking. There's probably gonna be an asteroid that hits Earth, statistically speaking. There has been many extinction events through the course of geological history. Like, we do not want to be one of them. So what can we do to prevent that? And it's a little bit, because it's so far outside, like, the current social zeitgeist, I think it... It's like it does very much sound like a 15 year old who's really into sci fi who has a little bit of Asperger's. Who's like, guys, why are we not all really paying attention to the fact that, like, we might all get smote off the earth, but taking it really seriously and doing it at a high level? But he lays it out. It's, like, kind of hard to argue with. Like, one of the things I like to do with people who are are Elon haters or doubters is, like, I I give them the book or I flip to any random page, I'm just like, just circle any sentence that you disagree with. Like, I know that you don't think you like him. I know that you think you disagree, but this is a book full of his words. So show me which ideas you disagree with. Like, do you not think we should be multi planetary? Do you not think these existential risks exist? Do you not think that, you know, we're capable of operating with with a higher level of urgency? It's actually hard to disagree with a lot of things when you just see them down in black and white. But because they're such new and different thoughts than most people encounter in their daily life, it does sort of like...
00:33:47 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
People kind of automatically sort it into the crazy bucket instead of really, like, taking a second to absorb it and be like, that actually makes a lot of sense. [00:33:55] S0: I think the other thing too is, like, our brains are hardwired to delete as much as possible. And so if you come across information and, like, the way that he thinks is so foreign to the way that everyone else thinks Mhmm. That if you come across his way of thinking and you're not trying to adopt it, it's more useful to just forget about it and delete that it even existed in the first place than to try to, like, study it and learn from it and absorb it.
00:34:19 · Eric Jorgenson
[00:34:19] S1: Yeah. And and so the bucket that I would sort of put this in for maybe the average person is I think most people... We we all need meaning. We all want meaning. And I think that there's this sort of slow motion crisis of meaning happening between, like, fear of AI taking our jobs, lower trust in institutions, more confusion around, like, you know, declining religiosity in in folks. And so if the answer to, like, how do I live a meaningful life? Like, Elon is actually... Puts forth a really compelling answer to that. He has a worldview that is like, we are trying to figure out more about the universe. We're trying to answer more questions, like, on a scientific basis and understand why we're here and what opportunities are before us. We're trying to preserve the only consciousness that we're aware of. We're trying to preserve all of life as we know it. We're the only conscious things on this planet. It's our responsibility to act on behalf of all forms of life to try to preserve them. That's environmentalism at the highest possible level, right, is is not just how do we conserve what we have, but how do we expand it? How do we protect it? And that's a really meaningful thing. That's why these people sort of show up in droves to work at these companies and try to solve these missions. He's starting from how do we make the future better, and that is worth... That kind of mission is worth dedicating your life to. And so, you know, I I love anybody who reads this book, but I really think getting it into the hands of, like, 12 to 18 year olds is so massively impactful and important because though so many dominoes are still yet to be knocked over. Like, what you think is important will determine what how hard you work to go to a great college. It'll determine what companies you apply to. It'll determine what major you choose. It'll determine the industries that you think are exciting. It'll determine how hard you work at your job and the the level of priority you give to it. And a shocking amount of the most important work being done at these companies is being done by really young people. Like, you know, the cadre of folks that you hang out with and interviews, all like people in their twenties building unprecedented things.
00:36:23 · Eric Jorgenson, Ty Morse
Like, these are incredible miracles, and so many people are told or implicitly or explicitly, no, no, you gotta, like, go pay your dues at a... The old company for forty years before you even know what you're talking about. And that's just so obviously wrong through the lens of of history and practicality, especially in California these days. One of the [00:36:43] S0: things that Elon does, which he's, he will basically give anyone the ability to hang themselves at his organizations, and so you can pretty much just absorb and ask for as much responsibility as you want. [00:36:54] S1: Yeah. You know? This is another answer to your question of, like, how do you thrive at these companies? You get shit done. [00:36:59] S0: Yep. You get shit done. Think And then you ask for more on your plate. Like, ask to be served. [00:37:02] S1: Yeah. The reward for Work. Is more work. Is more work. Right? And so if you achieve things, will be given more responsibility immediately. That's all that anybody's running a company is trying to do. Find somebody who's competent at executing things and give them more responsibility and more responsibility and more responsibility until they break. Like, that's the game. And if you are trying to rise up in those companies and be as useful as possible, that's your goal too. It's like, wanna I wanna solve the problem in front of me. I wanna build more stuff. I wanna get things done, and I wanna do that at the highest level that I possibly can for as long as I can. Let's talk about