01:02:16 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:02:16] S1: I'll listen to it on the way. [01:02:18] S0: Put in 11 reader and listen to it. But what I loved, what his perspective was, at the end, he's like, listen, you know, he thinks he... Same thing. Right person, right set of skills, right time. He thinks that teaching AI how to code, teaching computers how to code is, you know, one of the most interesting problems he could think of. And he's like, listen, I can accept that if I try and fail, but what he felt was intolerable. I forgot the word he used, but it's something like intolerable. It's like, I didn't even try. Like, so I was just like, he's like, I just want to give this one opportunity the best opportunity my lifetime, which he understands. He's... I think he's, like, around your age too. He's like, I'm just gonna give it everything I have and see what happens. [01:02:56] S1: It's like some version of, like, biggest risk is not taking any risks. And and and some version of, like, should just go after it. [01:03:06] S0: Did your co founder think about this the same way? [01:03:08] S1: Yeah. He's also all in. He doesn't like public presence as in interviews, podcasts, but he truly is a genius. I hope one day he comes on the podcast too. [01:03:18] S0: Anytime he wants.
01:03:18 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[01:03:18] S0: Anytime he wants. [01:03:19] S1: He is of course a great researcher, but beyond the researcher, also can bring a lot of those ideas in business and other parts of the space and kind of understands what's happening and how it happens. But on the research side, know the kind of the only AGI pelt and how that world will change is very deeply in his mind and he knows that he can be and he and now the wider research team are all part of that change so it's a unique opportunity. I think all of us realize that how unique the timing is and what we can do with that timing and what we can do for the world. I think that we are four and a half years in as a company. Because you're human scale. It's crazy. [01:04:01] S0: Because your opinion is that the next form factor isn't a device. It's actually just the way you're going to interact with AI is just your voice. [01:04:08] S1: A 100% will be one of the biggest ways. Like in general, intelligence keeps developing. The next bottleneck of how you actually get access to that intelligence will be how you communicate with that intelligence, how you collaborate with that intelligence. And we can solve that. We can solve that for everyone out there. [01:04:24] S0: Twelve months from now, how do you think the way you communicate with AI is different than it is today then?
01:04:24 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[01:04:24] S0: Twelve months from now, how do you think the way you communicate with AI is different than it is today then? [01:04:30] S1: Voice is definitely part of it, but it kind of understands you. It's able to connect the IQ plus the EQ part of it. Emotionally understands you, how you're feeling, can adjust based on that, can pause, can think, can reinsert itself into the conversation. Like, you know, in some crazy way for the decades, learn how technology around works and learn the language of that technology, the keyboard, the screen, the coding languages even, are the kind of, you need to learn how the technology works so you can control it. And now what I think we can solve is flip it back to how we want to communicate, how the most primal way is voice conversation and you can bring technology on our terms. So I think twelve months from now what will happen is similar as we are speaking. Think the technology will be able to understand us in an incredibly better way, both our knowledge, both the emotional part of that conversation and deliver similar conversation we are having now.
01:04:30 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:04:30] S1: Voice is definitely part of it, but it kind of understands you. It's able to connect the IQ plus the EQ part of it. Emotionally understands you, how you're feeling, can adjust based on that, can pause, can think, can reinsert itself into the conversation. Like, you know, in some crazy way for the decades, learn how technology around works and learn the language of that technology, the keyboard, the screen, the coding languages even, are the kind of, you need to learn how the technology works so you can control it. And now what I think we can solve is flip it back to how we want to communicate, how the most primal way is voice conversation and you can bring technology on our terms. So I think twelve months from now what will happen is similar as we are speaking. Think the technology will be able to understand us in an incredibly better way, both our knowledge, both the emotional part of that conversation and deliver similar conversation we are having now. [01:05:33] S0: And if that's the case, then the market for this and even the use case, the amount of people using AI will drastically explode. I think there's actually a historical equivalent that just popped to mind when you were speaking, where it's like Alexander Graham Bell was talking about the difference between the telegraph and the telephone. And, you know, the telegraph could send messages over long distances, but you had to learn how to program it and use it, and you had to learn, like, learn this language to send it. And he's like, the phone, you just pick up and do exactly what you do already.
01:05:33 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[01:05:33] S0: And if that's the case, then the market for this and even the use case, the amount of people using AI will drastically explode. I think there's actually a historical equivalent that just popped to mind when you were speaking, where it's like Alexander Graham Bell was talking about the difference between the telegraph and the telephone. And, you know, the telegraph could send messages over long distances, but you had to learn how to program it and use it, and you had to learn, like, learn this language to send it. And he's like, the phone, you just pick up and do exactly what you do already. [01:06:00] S1: Yep. 100%. It will. I think even I'm looking at around the room, I feel like there'll be so many devices as well that will just be able to work on your terms. Hopefully the screen, the phone will be able to be back in the back pocket if you want to need it in the same way as you do now. It'll be really cool. [01:06:16] S0: When you first started the company, you you you mentioned this from The Hitchhiker's Guide to Galaxy. So was you and your co founder's ideal version of your product, the Babelfish? [01:06:27] S1: It was one or none of the slides that we we thought that, yes, Babelfish will exist and will hopefully make it happen, but less so that we will create Babelfish itself, but we will enable everyone out there to have Babelfish in their existing devices, existing presence, existing work. That was definitely one of the of the north stars that we are thinking about.
01:06:27 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:06:27] S1: It was one or none of the slides that we we thought that, yes, Babelfish will exist and will hopefully make it happen, but less so that we will create Babelfish itself, but we will enable everyone out there to have Babelfish in their existing devices, existing presence, existing work. That was definitely one of the of the north stars that we are thinking about. [01:06:49] S0: Okay. Another question I have for you. Why do you always pop up at all these conferences? [01:06:55] S1: I don't do that many, I think. [01:06:56] S0: I... In his email, so so Daniel Ak, obviously a close friend of mine, he hounds me on this. And he's right. He's like, dude, you have one of the most elegant businesses in the world. He's like, all you have to do is sit inside a room and make podcasts, and every single thing that you want in life will come to you. And he's like... His line for this is like stay away from the circus. Yep. And so the only ones I do obviously do events for my partners like Ramp where I saw you at the Ramp dinner. And I I obviously love Michael Dell, so I do his too. And I do nothing else. And because of Daniel's advice, like stay away from the circus. Like, the people that show up at these things, they they aren't doing any work. They're just so distracted. Like, you don't have to do it. And so then I get all these emails and invitations like, come to this thing, and I open it up, and I see your face everywhere. What are you I