00:59:29 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[00:59:29] S1: It's The content that entrepreneurs It's self serving in many ways, I feel. [00:59:32] S0: Well, the content entrepreneurs are consuming are created by VCs. This is this is a weird thing [00:59:35] S1: to me. Yeah. [00:59:36] S0: And what I would say is just like the amount of fucking founders that I've talked to that have sold their company are like, shit. Like, it's like, I had something. It was going really well. They gave me a bunch of money. Now they tell me what to do. Was like, what did you think the money was for? Like, no one's just gonna give you a bunch of money and then you still retain the independence to do whatever you want. And then it's in all these freaking biographies from Ted Turner to like, there's just a million people that talk about it after the fact. And they got huge bags, billions and billions of bags. Like, I'd give the billions back if I could just have my company back. And listen, man, I think you're smart and driven, but highly likely, like ElevenLabs is probably the best idea you will ever have in your life. And you're how old? [01:00:13] S1: 31. [01:00:14] S0: Okay. So you're gonna sell your best idea at 31? You got four decades ahead of you. Maybe five. Yeah, but that's Hold on. And you're gonna work on your second, third, fourth, fifth best idea? Dude, the money's not worth it. It's not worth it. You're gonna get the money anyways. [01:00:26] S1: Well, you're convincing me. Somebody I'm already convinced of.
01:00:26 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:00:26] S1: Well, you're convincing me. Somebody I'm already convinced of. [01:00:29] S0: I know. But they all say this shit. The founders all say this, and it's, like, really hard when they're just like, dude, I'm a drop 50,000,000,000 on you. Like, it just... Numbers are getting crazy. So I understand why people do it. I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying I would like... I I... I'm very interested in entrepreneurs that there's no price. Like, again, I've repeated this over and over again. It's super important to understand. It's everybody's like, oh, if you love what you do, you do it for free. No, there's another level. If you love what you do, they couldn't pay you to stop. How much money would you have to give Steve Jobs and say, I'll give you 2,000,000,000,000, Steve, but you can't work on Apple. He'd say, go fuck yourself. There's not a dollar amount in the world that could stop him from doing that, and the world is better because he didn't stop doing it.
01:01:07 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:01:07] S1: I'm with you there. Agree. Many people, I think, will say it. In our case, we had a lack of having acquisition offers which we turned on and that was not an option. Any of those acquisitions would, it's not 2,000,000,000,000, but they would have made life easy, of course. Think that in itself should never be an interesting proposition. Like you said, we do appreciate this is likely the best idea, the best timing to have that of lack of when it's all happened is such an incredible coincidence. I don't know how the world will look like in five to ten years. How will the universal high income piece and conversation come in? How the wider society will adopt the technology? How will you actually provide them? Like all of those questions are out there and I think they will be a big part. So of course the best thing that I think we can do for the world and for us is just to continue building. [01:02:06] S0: Did you read Scott Wu's piece in Colossus, the Colossus magazine? No. That's done by my friend Patrick? Yes. I'll text it to you right when we're done. You can put in 11. [01:02:16] S1: I'll listen to it on the way.
01:02:16 · Mati Staniszewski, David Senra
[01:02:16] S1: I'll listen to it on the way. [01:02:18] S0: Put in 11 reader and listen to it. But what I loved, what his perspective was, at the end, he's like, listen, you know, he thinks he... Same thing. Right person, right set of skills, right time. He thinks that teaching AI how to code, teaching computers how to code is, you know, one of the most interesting problems he could think of. And he's like, listen, I can accept that if I try and fail, but what he felt was intolerable. I forgot the word he used, but it's something like intolerable. It's like, I didn't even try. Like, so I was just like, he's like, I just want to give this one opportunity the best opportunity my lifetime, which he understands. He's... I think he's, like, around your age too. He's like, I'm just gonna give it everything I have and see what happens. [01:02:56] S1: It's like some version of, like, biggest risk is not taking any risks. And and and some version of, like, should just go after it. [01:03:06] S0: Did your co founder think about this the same way? [01:03:08] S1: Yeah. He's also all in. He doesn't like public presence as in interviews, podcasts, but he truly is a genius. I hope one day he comes on the podcast too. [01:03:18] S0: Anytime he wants.
01:03:18 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[01:03:18] S0: Anytime he wants. [01:03:19] S1: He is of course a great researcher, but beyond the researcher, also can bring a lot of those ideas in business and other parts of the space and kind of understands what's happening and how it happens. But on the research side, know the kind of the only AGI pelt and how that world will change is very deeply in his mind and he knows that he can be and he and now the wider research team are all part of that change so it's a unique opportunity. I think all of us realize that how unique the timing is and what we can do with that timing and what we can do for the world. I think that we are four and a half years in as a company. Because you're human scale. It's crazy. [01:04:01] S0: Because your opinion is that the next form factor isn't a device. It's actually just the way you're going to interact with AI is just your voice. [01:04:08] S1: A 100% will be one of the biggest ways. Like in general, intelligence keeps developing. The next bottleneck of how you actually get access to that intelligence will be how you communicate with that intelligence, how you collaborate with that intelligence. And we can solve that. We can solve that for everyone out there. [01:04:24] S0: Twelve months from now, how do you think the way you communicate with AI is different than it is today then?
01:04:24 · David Senra, Mati Staniszewski
[01:04:24] S0: Twelve months from now, how do you think the way you communicate with AI is different than it is today then? [01:04:30] S1: Voice is definitely part of it, but it kind of understands you. It's able to connect the IQ plus the EQ part of it. Emotionally understands you, how you're feeling, can adjust based on that, can pause, can think, can reinsert itself into the conversation. Like, you know, in some crazy way for the decades, learn how technology around works and learn the language of that technology, the keyboard, the screen, the coding languages even, are the kind of, you need to learn how the technology works so you can control it. And now what I think we can solve is flip it back to how we want to communicate, how the most primal way is voice conversation and you can bring technology on our terms. So I think twelve months from now what will happen is similar as we are speaking. Think the technology will be able to understand us in an incredibly better way, both our knowledge, both the emotional part of that conversation and deliver similar conversation we are having now.