Acquired
00:04:42 · David Rosenthal, Ben Gilbert
[00:04:42] S1: You might say we're, building out our own flywheel here. We are. Eating our own episode cooking. [00:04:47] S0: And we're we're taking this timeless IP that we are developing and figuring out even more things to do with it. That's right. Alright. So you can join the Acquired email list at Acquired dot FM slash email. That's where we'll send our big takeaways from each episode, past episode corrections, exclusive behind the scenes photos that we found in our research, and it's where you can vote on future episode topics. Plus, we will give away a little hint each time about the next episode topic. That's acquired.fm/email. Come talk about this episode with us in the Slack. That's acquired.fm/slack. And before we dive in, we wanna thank our presenting partner, JP Morgan. [00:05:24] S1: Yes. Just like how we say every company has a story, every company's story is powered by payments, and JPMorgan is a part of so many of their journeys from seed to IPO and beyond. [00:05:33] S0: So with that, the show is not investment advice. David and I may have investments in the companies we discuss, and this show is for informational and entertainment purposes only. David, take us in.
00:05:33 · Ben Gilbert, David Rosenthal
[00:05:33] S0: So with that, the show is not investment advice. David and I may have investments in the companies we discuss, and this show is for informational and entertainment purposes only. David, take us in. [00:05:44] S1: Well, first, a thank you to my main source for facts and Walt quotes on this episode, Neil Gabler's biography, Walt Disney, the triumph of the American imagination. Gabler, I think, was the only author who had full access to the Disney archives, and all the research he did for that book is just incredible. Yes. Well, with that, we start in Chicago in December '1 where Walter Elias Disney is born. And the family lore is that the Disneys are descended from the French Disneys of Normandy. [00:06:19] S0: How do you spell that?
00:06:19 · Ben Gilbert, David Rosenthal
[00:06:19] S0: How do you spell that? [00:06:20] S1: D, apostrophe, I s I g n y s of Normandy, who came over to England with William the Conqueror in October. That's family lore. Unverifiable. Yes. At this point, lost to history. Yes. So Walt's father, Elias, was sort of a frustrated entrepreneur. He was variously a carpenter, landlord, farmer, newspaper route owner, and eventually a failed jelly factory investor. But Elias' younger brother, Robert, Walt's uncle Robert, was the successful one in the family. He was a real estate speculator among other things, and that is what brought the family to Chicago at the turn of the century. He had invested in a bunch of real estate in Chicago in the Midwest, and so Elias came also to seek his fortune there. Now when Walt is four, Elias moves the family out of Chicago to an idyllic farm town also in the Midwest where Robert had just purchased another tract of real estate, Marceline, Missouri. And Lillian Disney, Walt's future wife, would say about Marceline, it was the most important part of Walt's life. He didn't live there very long. He lived in Chicago and Kansas City much longer. But there was something about the farm that was very important to him.
00:07:44 · Ben Gilbert
[00:07:44] S0: And Elias moved the family because it was kinda like, let's get out of the dangerous city of Chicago and raise the kids right. So sort of somewhere small town. I think Marceline was actually created because they needed somewhere for the Santa Fe Railroad's division point. Yes. Yes. Like, when it was going to maybe Chicago and Kansas City, and they were like, and this place on the map looks good, and they started the town of Marceline. Exactly.
00:08:09 · David Rosenthal
[00:08:09] S1: Exactly. And Robert, the uncle, had bought real estate there kinda speculating again that this Marceline is gonna grow. So Marceline was, like, basically a Disney movie. There's orchards and ponds and animals and farm houses. There's also this charming little town that the railroad had created with a main street, a main street USA, you might say. But that's getting out of ourselves. So while the family's living there, uncle Robert's wife, Walt's aunt Maggie, every time that they would come visit Marceline to check up on their real estate investments, she would bring Walt gifts. And one year, when Walt is probably six or seven years old, aunt Maggie brings him a big chief drawing tablet and pencil set, and Walt is enraptured. He starts sketching all the time, drawing, sketching everything he can see. And as the legend goes, one day, Walt's retired neighbor asked the young boy to draw him a picture of his favorite horse. And the neighbor loves what Walt draws so much that he pays him a nickel for it, and he hangs it in a frame in his house. And Walt, his mind is blown, young Walt. He's like, my my hobby, my my art, it can make me money. Now whatever the exact truth of that story is, there is no doubt that somewhere in Marceline, in prepubescent Walt's mind, a connection is forged between these two great forces, art and commerce. And that would go on to drive not only the rest of his life, but the company, the studio, the movies, I mean, changed America.
00:09:54 · Ben Gilbert, David Rosenthal
[00:09:54] S0: Absolutely. The thing about Marceline, though, you said it's idyllic and, like, it's out of a Disney movie. The reality of living in Marceline and life on the farm is that it was very hard. All the kids are involved. There's not, you know, magical economic prosperity everywhere. It's sort of a tough life even though he can sort of remember it as an idyllic childhood, which I also think is quite the foreshadow of kind of the Disney versionification of things in the future. It is both remembered as idyllic, but also was hard as the real world is. Yes. And I [00:10:29] S1: think it's because of the age Walt was when he was there. So they lived in Marceline only from when he was, like, four to eight or nine years old before he gets really put to work. So he gets to just enjoy all this bliss around him. Yeah. The reality is it's pretty tough for the family to make a living, and in fact, they can't. So Elias adds farming to his list of entrepreneurial failures. And when Walt is nine years old, they have to move the family again out of Marceline to Kansas City, where Elias decides he's gonna purchase a paper delivery route for the Kansas City Star newspaper, and he's gonna put the family to work delivering papers. [00:11:14] S0: There are so many protagonists that we study on acquired who started their career as newspaper boys.