Sources with Alex Heath
00:14:05 · Ellis Hamburger, Alex Heath, Tony Zhao
[00:14:05] S1: Yeah. It's interesting given that they haven't really talked about much about what they're building yet. Right? I mean, I [00:14:11] S2: feel like this is one of I don't think they [00:14:12] S0: know what they're building. [00:14:13] S1: Right. And this is like one of the refreshing things I feel like about having Tony on the pod who we're gonna cut to in a minute here, is that... I mean, he's like humble about it. And as you'll hear, you know, I've like known him for a couple years, but like I first Working with met Yeah. And when I first started working with him, he was being super humble about having this, apparently this goaded research paper that a lot of people were ripping off and that they really were on the frontier. And he isn't super loud and proud about it, but it's like, wow, someone actually with academic background and a technical innovation here. And now a couple years later, they have an impressive product and brand that just kind of feels like the full story. And that's at a moment where it feels like a lot of companies either have some very fuzzy technical idea or they don't have a technical innovation at all. And it's just a pure, you know, vertical play or an audience play or some type of rapper play. And, yeah, it seems unusual these days.
00:15:15 · Alex Heath
[00:15:15] S2: Yeah. For sure. His approach is super unusual. I would argue he doesn't really have a product yet. I mean, it sounds like his product is the gloves that we talk about that people get paid to use to train the data. I'm still very skeptical of, like, these household robots, being in homes very soon. I don't know. I've just been talking to a lot of robotics founders here in Davos recently, and I just... I think there's a lot of hard problems here. But I do think he's approaching it in a super original way, and the branding is sick. The Glove idea is very unique. He's obviously an OG in the field. And Sunday, I think, is considered in Silicon Valley to be, you know, one of the key companies in robotics that everyone's looking to. So definitely a great guest and cool that you worked on that and helped him kinda position all that back in the day. I don't know. It's it's cool to see it finally come out. Right?
00:16:04 · Ellis Hamburger, Alex Heath, S3
[00:16:04] S1: I mean, honestly, I like at some point a year, year and a half later, I don't even know what I contributed. Sometimes sometimes these company... Mean, I work with so many startups at a time in various capacities that sometimes they launch and I'm like, did I write that? And I actually act... I actually have to search my Notion for the tagline sometimes. And I'm like, sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Yeah. As Tony said, even just kind of the helper versus Terminator dichotomy. If if it was even just that, I can I can be proud of that? I mean, that's what I try to do. Obviously I can't sell it per se, but that's what I'm proud of is trying to guide people toward a more positive, less cynical vision. And to the extent that people feel that it helped them, awesome. But no, I did not I did not come up with the name. Back then, we didn't actually talk about it on the podcast, but back then they were called LemmyBot, like, let me do that for you, which is pretty cute and catchy in its own way. I think Sunday is just kinda badass because, I mean, it's just one of those names that's, like, super simple and evocative and all the chores happen on Sunday. And so it's just a little too perfect. But Let Me Bot Let Me Bot was cute as well. [00:17:18] S2: Let Me Bot's cute. Yeah. I mean, it's like access. Right? Like simple, evocative, and you listen to pods doing the chores on Sunday. [00:17:25] S1: I hope so. Shall we cut to the conversation with Tony? [00:17:29] S2: Yeah. Let's do it. [00:17:35] S3: This episode is brought to
00:17:35 · S3, S4, S5, Ellis Hamburger
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00:18:38 · Ellis Hamburger, Tony Zhao
[00:18:38] S1: How are things going in in Roboworld since I saw you last? I feel like you've gone through a couple company names at this point since I last saw you when we worked together, like, I think it was September 2024. I mean, I feel like so much has changed. [00:18:51] S0: Yeah. Yeah. It it was good. I think the the naming thing is kinda funny that we've went through, like, I would say, like, three to four names. Like, a week before we announced other stuff, we're across Saturday. And then that's when we already have all the marketing materials, all the website, all the logos, everything ready. And then we realized we made a very dumb mistake of, like, hey. There's this other company also called Saturday Robotics, and they have this trademark there. And we realized that, hey. We should probably not be doing it. And, like, I think everybody was like, like, it's all hands on deck. Let's change our names. We have like seven days left, change all the swags, change all the websites, and I think we did it. Yeah, and I actually think that Sunday might be a slightly better name than Saturday. [00:19:38] S1: Wait, so do you need a lawyer or do you need a new lawyer? [00:19:42] S0: Yeah, Like, it's a fun journey.
00:19:42 · Tony Zhao, Ellis Hamburger, Alex Heath
[00:19:42] S0: Yeah, Like, it's a fun journey. [00:19:45] S1: Yeah. Well, I feel like you netted out with something kind of perfect. I mean, my favorite brands and taglines are always subverting something unexpected. And Sunday is like the day of the week people hate the most. And I think there are a lot of people who would say, oh, we wanna avoid the negativity. And it's like, well, not if you're gonna solve it, you know? And I think it worked out well. I mean, was that the intention behind the name? [00:20:14] S0: You think about, like, laundry and you think about, like, Monday. Right? And it's it's actually bad if you are worried about Monday while at the same time you need to do all your chores. So, yeah, I think our goal is to give the Sundays back to people, so they can they can actually enjoy it just like Saturday. [00:20:32] S1: At fuckmonday.com. We're preempting with sunday.com. [00:20:36] S2: Tony, was was Ellis's idea Saturday, or what did he contribute? Was... Did he have you on Friday at one point? [00:20:44] S0: Well, Ellis has been really helpful. I think we... We've been talking to each other, like, way before we are, even planning to be out of stealth. Right? Remember I we were having this early conversation about how we should position ourselves as a company, what kind of vibes, like, our brand should have, and why we should not be building another Terminator robot and try to put it in people's homes. I think we align very well on this on this front.