00:10:22 · Yoni Rechtman, Eric Newcomer
[00:10:22] S1: people I think a lot of people don't take seriously the extent to which our, like, system of entrepreneurial capitalism rests on strong institutions, and so what Trump is doing in our democracy, he is also doing to our market system. Right. And so, for instance, like, it should be extremely concerning to anyone who calls himself a capitalist to watch him start, like, nationalising companies, which is what he has done in the steel industry and in the chips industry, to watch him, you know, try and put... I mean, not put pressure, criminally prosecute Jerome Powell to, like, exert control. Like, central bank independence is one of the pillars the [00:11:08] S0: idea that you could commit fraud, and probably if you can pull together a couple million dollars, you can get it to the Trump administration and then you can get a pardon and get out
00:11:08 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:11:08] S0: idea that you could commit fraud, and probably if you can pull together a couple million dollars, you can get it to the Trump administration and then you can get a pardon and get out [00:11:17] S1: of it. And so, like, there is no democracy without... I I I really believe that there is no... Like, the systems of democracy, capitalism, property rights, institutions, independent judiciary, these are all actually one thing. And in countries that have one, they generally tend to have all of them. And And in countries where one fails, the rest fail shortly thereafter. Like, he's doing third world... You know, it's it's third world style corruption in The US and is is substantially undermining, like, the excellence of American institutions and the excellence of American capitalism, and, like, we are all gonna wind up paying for that. So even in the most strictly amoral terms, you don't care about any of the, like, ideas about the liberal world order, like, we're gonna wind up looking like Turkey or Argentina or Russia, where, like, there is no, you know, sort of free market, there is no meaningfully free market system, there is no central bank independence, there are no strong institutions, there is no, for the most part, judicial independence.
00:11:17 · Yoni Rechtman, Eric Newcomer
[00:11:17] S1: of it. And so, like, there is no democracy without... I I I really believe that there is no... Like, the systems of democracy, capitalism, property rights, institutions, independent judiciary, these are all actually one thing. And in countries that have one, they generally tend to have all of them. And And in countries where one fails, the rest fail shortly thereafter. Like, he's doing third world... You know, it's it's third world style corruption in The US and is is substantially undermining, like, the excellence of American institutions and the excellence of American capitalism, and, like, we are all gonna wind up paying for that. So even in the most strictly amoral terms, you don't care about any of the, like, ideas about the liberal world order, like, we're gonna wind up looking like Turkey or Argentina or Russia, where, like, there is no, you know, sort of free market, there is no meaningfully free market system, there is no central bank independence, there are no strong institutions, there is no, for the most part, judicial independence. [00:12:21] S0: What do make of these things all go together? That, you know, if you give Trump a golden crown or whatever, he's gonna treat you well. And Democrats, if you try and do it, they might say, oh, look, a billionaire, you know, we should I'm tax you not saying Democrats should get more corrupt, but there is this asymmetry where you get more out of cozying up to the Republicans as
00:12:21 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:12:21] S0: What do make of these things all go together? That, you know, if you give Trump a golden crown or whatever, he's gonna treat you well. And Democrats, if you try and do it, they might say, oh, look, a billionaire, you know, we should I'm tax you not saying Democrats should get more corrupt, but there is this asymmetry where you get more out of cozying up to the Republicans as [00:12:43] S1: a business person. Totally. I think the Democrats often really struggle to articulate a positive vision for America and the world. You know, there's this like Simpsons meme that people always share that is hysterical, and it's the Republican National Convention, and it says like, you know you know like... But we're evil. We're evil and we know it, and then the Democratic National Convention is like we hate every... We're incompetent and we hate ourselves. Right. I think that Democrats really struggle for how much they... Because of how much they point out problems instead of being able to put forth a, like, positive vision for America. I think it's really challenging to hold the two conflicting ideas in your head. I am, you know, notwithstanding his, like, personal proclivities, often very inspired by Bill Clinton and, you know, his line, there's nothing that's wrong with America that can't be fixed with what's right with America. Like, I believe that very deeply. I think the idea of I still don't I agree with everything you're saying.
00:12:43 · Yoni Rechtman, Eric Newcomer
[00:12:43] S1: a business person. Totally. I think the Democrats often really struggle to articulate a positive vision for America and the world. You know, there's this like Simpsons meme that people always share that is hysterical, and it's the Republican National Convention, and it says like, you know you know like... But we're evil. We're evil and we know it, and then the Democratic National Convention is like we hate every... We're incompetent and we hate ourselves. Right. I think that Democrats really struggle for how much they... Because of how much they point out problems instead of being able to put forth a, like, positive vision for America. I think it's really challenging to hold the two conflicting ideas in your head. I am, you know, notwithstanding his, like, personal proclivities, often very inspired by Bill Clinton and, you know, his line, there's nothing that's wrong with America that can't be fixed with what's right with America. Like, I believe that very deeply. I think the idea of I still don't I agree with everything you're saying. [00:13:47] S0: I just don't think it doesn't solve the corruption problem. Part of it is, I think, when Democrats are in power, they need to make sure you have severe consequences if you try to buy off the government. Totally. And it has to be, you're not allowed to do that. You can't have one party coming to power where you're allowed to sort of be pay to play and corrupt, and another party that says, we're the principled ones, but we don't have enough backbone to actually process No, mean, Democrats
00:13:47 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:13:47] S0: I just don't think it doesn't solve the corruption problem. Part of it is, I think, when Democrats are in power, they need to make sure you have severe consequences if you try to buy off the government. Totally. And it has to be, you're not allowed to do that. You can't have one party coming to power where you're allowed to sort of be pay to play and corrupt, and another party that says, we're the principled ones, but we don't have enough backbone to actually process No, mean, Democrats [00:14:09] S1: need to be more willing to wield power. I think Merrick Garland is a coward and an embarrassment, an idiot for not, you know, putting Trump in prison. The... What do you... Tech is built on immigrants. [00:14:25] S0: You know, Elon Musk himself is an immigrant. Many of these tech companies have H1B employees doing a lot of the most important work. Yet, there's a strain that's like, obviously immigrants are the ones being attacked here, but there's also some of the leader, like, know, XAI has tons of immigrants. Elon is practically a white nationalist at this I don't know, what do you make of the anti immigrant Well, but they