00:16:24 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:16:24] S0: What's your view on how friendly everybody should be with each other on Twitter and in real life? You know, what do we do? It feels like, okay, we're in this moment where both you and I sort of okay, we were right. Although, like, the sky is falling about Trump really feels true. They are shooting people in the streets. They have a Gestapo like force. They have people literally cosplaying as Nazis. It is a dark moment. A lot of the things that have... If you had predicted that Trump would try to put tariffs on Europe to try and take Greenland from them, you would have been mocked before the election. So things I think are unambiguously worse than you could have really said without being laughed at before the election. So that's the world we find ourselves in. Yet I think we're so fatigued from, woah, cancel culture era of booing everybody. I guess to put a direct question to you, what's your view on this sort of no compelled speech? I said something snide about Garry Tan because he's always out there talking. He's always out there talking. And I said, He's not saying anything on this. He used to be sort of a principled Democrat. And I said, power corrupts, I guess, and he's now blocked me [00:17:42] S1: on And people accuse me of trying to compel speech. Like what's your view on this? I really don't think anybody is required to have or share an opinion about anything or everything. I do think that when you have an opinion about everything except for one thing, that's a little bit different. [00:18:04] S0: It stands out to people. Yeah.
00:18:04 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:18:04] S0: It stands out to people. Yeah. [00:18:06] S1: Yeah. So there are a lot of things that go on in the world that I just don't feel like it's necessary for me to express my opinion about. Frankly, like, I don't live in California. I don't, like, wanna get too deeply involved in California politics, so I mostly keep my mouth shut. Right. Because, like, it annoys me when people talk about New York politics and like, don't have a stake in this. But like, we're talking about America, we all have a stake in it, and there's a lot of people who I think have put themselves forward as not just business leaders, but moral leaders. Right. Who then exempt themselves from that responsibility in moments of moral crisis. So I don't think anyone is required to take up a mantle of moral leadership. I don't think anyone is required to like, be a public intellectual. If you want to be a public intellectual, if you want to, you know, be a philosopher king, then like what... People are gonna [00:18:57] S0: look to you for leadership. Yeah. And when there are moments of moral crisis and you don't offer anything, people are gonna be like, oh, thought you were a source of wisdom. I agree with that take 100%. How much do you tell founders to pick their VCs based on their morals?
00:18:57 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:18:57] S0: look to you for leadership. Yeah. And when there are moments of moral crisis and you don't offer anything, people are gonna be like, oh, thought you were a source of wisdom. I agree with that take 100%. How much do you tell founders to pick their VCs based on their morals? [00:19:14] S1: Not really at all, honestly. Think being... Look, I think it's a lot easier for me to say a lot of this stuff as a venture capitalist. Like, the job of a founder is just immensely more difficult, and I would love to be able to tell someone, like, you know, live your conscience in every way all the time, but like, I heard this once and and it really stuck with me, that like all money is green and all money is red, you know? Like it all spends, and it all probably came from something a little bit dirty. Right. And like ultimately at the end of the day, like, it's very difficult to like, whose money is it really? Frankly, it's like it's sitting in the startup's bank account, but it was put there by a venture capitalist who received it from some institution who received it from its donors. Some of
00:19:14 · Yoni Rechtman, Eric Newcomer
[00:19:14] S1: Not really at all, honestly. Think being... Look, I think it's a lot easier for me to say a lot of this stuff as a venture capitalist. Like, the job of a founder is just immensely more difficult, and I would love to be able to tell someone, like, you know, live your conscience in every way all the time, but like, I heard this once and and it really stuck with me, that like all money is green and all money is red, you know? Like it all spends, and it all probably came from something a little bit dirty. Right. And like ultimately at the end of the day, like, it's very difficult to like, whose money is it really? Frankly, it's like it's sitting in the startup's bank account, but it was put there by a venture capitalist who received it from some institution who received it from its donors. Some of [00:20:04] S0: these investors end up having leverage over you. I guess that would... Yeah. I think, you know, if it's a minority investor and you're just trying to raise money, yeah. I mean, I tend to be on the sort of, when it comes to fundraising, pretty tolerant. I mean, I try to maintain and quote and especially on deal type stories, talk to right wing members of Silicon Valley. Like, is a funny role that I play where it's like, at once I have principals, but, you know, they're part of the community and I'm, you know, I want to be sort of a vehicle
00:20:35 · Yoni Rechtman, Eric Newcomer
[00:20:35] S1: to keep the community together and so there's I much piece of rather be able to believe, and I do believe that like the tides will turn than saying I'm gonna like cut myself off from anybody who disagrees with me. That's sort of incompatible with a lot of my other values, And, like, I have the privilege of being able to, like, speak about my opinions and, like, that is a, you know, not everyone has that. I do, but I still do, like, have a responsibility to, like, my partners and my founders and our investors to, do the job that they're paying us for. And, you know, I think if I were to just say, like, you know, fuck you to everyone I disagree with, that would be, a dereliction of my job. Where do you think things are going? I mean, Trump's gonna make some noises to moderate ahead of the midterms. He will do that unsuccessfully, but potentially like a credulous national news media will applaud him for, you know, firing Greg Bovino, and that'll be that. But I think a lot of what's happening right now is... Look, Trump was elected basically to do four or five things. America first, well, he's bailing out foreign governments and getting into, you know, illegal foreign wars, reduce inflation, he's making energy prices go up, home prices go up, not doing that, you know, close the border, send them all home, while he's just shooting Americans in the head and, like, rounding up children. Right. Hey, by the way, our deportation numbers are basically flat from Biden and Trump won. [00:22:17] S0: And Obama was doing more.
00:22:17 · Eric Newcomer, Yoni Rechtman
[00:22:17] S0: And Obama was doing more. [00:22:18] S1: Yeah. Obama was doing more. Obama was doing more. Drain the swamp, he's like actively taking bribes and bringing third world corruption and cronyism America for the first time. Like He's literally partnering [00:22:32] S0: drug dealers and countries [00:22:34] S1: involved And then in the fifth one drug is released the Epstein files, which he is actively One of the main characters apparently. Yes, one of the main characters and actively subverting that investigation. So if those are the five promises of Trump too, he is failing on every single one of them in, like, really substantial and notable ways. I think he's gonna get absolutely, like, drubbed in the midterms. I think he is going to make... I think his party's really gonna pay for it in 2028. And my hope is that America can then begin the, like, long and hard process of rebuilding trust in government, rebuilding the institutions that have been, like, really, I mean, profoundly and severely damaged in even just the one first year [00:23:17] S0: of his presidency. You ended up supporting Mamdani. I did. Yeah, I voted for him over Cuomo. I ranked him like four probably in the I [00:23:26] S1: think I ranked him four or five in [00:23:27] S0: the primary. Like Brad Lander [00:23:28] S1: or Brad Lander, like like Zellnor, Yeah, [00:23:31] S0: Exactly, Zellnor was one or two, you know, I forget which exact, I think Brad Bees had seemed like he was gonna win. Or he had the more momentum, not that he was gonna win,